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Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by esornoso on Monday March 08, 2010 @07:16PM (#1176968)
It should be renamed "Appldroid" and not Android. It's misleading.
Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by indy on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @02:58AM (#1177786)
Does Google place any restrictions on the changes that can be made to a phone and still being able to market it as an Android?
Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by jackowayed on Monday March 08, 2010 @07:08PM (#1176946)
How hard and problematic is it to just install the normal Android OS on phones that come with weird kinds? And does it end up not quite fitting the specific handset as well?
Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by there on Monday March 08, 2010 @07:23PM (#1176983)
it varies by handset. my mytouch 3g took a lengthy process involving 2 microsd cards, a hex editor, submitting some id numbers specific to my phone/microsd cards to some random website and getting emailed a "gold" file, and reflashing various files. my nexus one took all of going into the settings and unlocking it, then reflashing a cyanogen firmware that had been downloaded to the phone.

i would imagine that if at&t is locking down this particular phone, they are (or have instructed motorola to) lock down the firmware reflashing process.

Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by aschobel on Monday March 08, 2010 @07:34PM (#1177022)
If you get the phone from Google or T-Mobile it is trivial to root them and install your own firmware.

Hopefully Motorola won't lock down the bootloader too badly on AT&T.

Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by necrecious on Monday March 08, 2010 @08:40PM (#1177192)
Hmm, if the best part of Android is the free wheeling, beloved by geeks and not anyone else store, then I am not sure if Android is the competitor I thought it is.

A locked down store is totally what carriers want. They want the revenue stream from selling the apps. That's how the market was before iPhone. So until Google force carriers to have a common store, I see more and more carriers adopt this model.

Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by edwilliams612 on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @03:30AM (#1177818)
I thought the best part of Android was that there is very little oversight as to what you can put out on the Android Market, making secondary markets unneeded.

Although I have had a hard time finding a decent tethering application in the Android Market.. maybe AT&T is afraid that disobey the little rules there are will be bandwidth intensive, threatening their already feeble network?

Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by greenlblue on Monday March 08, 2010 @10:50PM (#1177421)
I think it's a little misleading to judge carriers and phone manufacturers by open source standards. Although open source standards often promote innovation and bring value to the market because of the service oriented industries that pop up based on them I don't see the same kind of thing happening for phones. So tighter control is not necessarily a bad thing.
Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by shareme on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @02:42AM (#1177777)
It is a bad thing, any enterprise that wants to deploy their own android software to device they paid for now has to choose a different carrier than AT and T..

Its why Enterprises do not use iPhone in the first place..

Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by bensummers on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @03:29AM (#1177817)
Do you have some figures about iPhone and Android usage within 'Enterprises'? Please share!

The iPhone can be turned into a boring and controlled device for soul destroying enterprises. Have a read of this:

http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/Enterprise_Deployment_Gu...

And despair that large organisations hire people who can't be trusted with a web browser on their phone.

Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by cryptnoob on Monday March 08, 2010 @07:06PM (#1176937)
They should never have been allowed to sell an Android phone in the first place. They're probably trying to promote their cash cow, the iPhone by crippling Android in the court of public opinion.
Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by jsz0 on Monday March 08, 2010 @07:27PM (#1176999)
Allowed by whom? Google went out of their way to give handset makers and carriers almost total control over how they choose to package Android. I suspect we'll see more of this simply because the carriers will want to create a low end SmartPhone market to replace the dumb phones out there. They'll only run a few carrier approved apps and may not have access to the regular Android Market but instead a carrier run market instead.

I know in the on-going Internet race to judgement Android has been anointed the White Knight role but Google's choice to give carriers/handset makers so much control over how Android gets into consumer hands is nothing to be proud of. We shouldn't be cheering on a solution that really isn't nearly as open as people suggest. Even a more legitimate Android phone like the Droid or N1 is crippled from doing wifi tethering unless you root/jailbreak it. Why? Because carriers didn't like it. If we're really looking for a 100% open mobile platform Android isn't really the solution. It's probably the best bet out there today but that should not stop us from pointing out why it's also restrictive.

Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by aschobel on Monday March 08, 2010 @07:32PM (#1177009)
Tethering app was only removed from the US T-Mobile store, it is available everywhere else.

http://androidcommunity.com/google-allowing-tethering-apps-f...

Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by jsz0 on Monday March 08, 2010 @07:34PM (#1177020)
They still do not allow wifi tethering apps unfortunately -- or they are blocked on Sprint (HTC Hero)
Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by aschobel on Monday March 08, 2010 @07:38PM (#1177033)
Yikes, that is quite unfortunate.

Do 3rd party markets apps like Wifi Tether from anda.pk work?

http://discuss.gdgt.com/htc/hero/support/tethering-with-the-...

Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by coderdude on Monday March 08, 2010 @07:59PM (#1177094)
Crippling Android on their phone might just make it easier to do an apples-to-apples comparison. Assuming AT&T screws up on something everyone else is getting right.
Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by Batsu on Monday March 08, 2010 @06:39PM (#1176886)
It seems wrong to do this, but in a related thought, I imagine the people savvy enough to know there are apps outside the market will realize they can also install other ROMs.
Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by jrockway on Monday March 08, 2010 @07:07PM (#1176939)
Installing ROMs is not trivial unless the handset manufacturer wants it to be. Look at the Archos device, for example.
Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by aschobel on Monday March 08, 2010 @07:56PM (#1177077)
It really depends on the carrier. I've had great luck rooting the G1, MyTouch, and N1.

N1 is the easiest of the bunch.

Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by martey on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @03:51AM (#1177842)
Being that all three of those phones are made by HTC, I think jrockway's point still stands.
Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by epochwolf on Monday March 08, 2010 @06:59PM (#1176919)
Great... they turned their Android phone into an iPhone. Might as well just buy the real thing if you are going to AT&T for the network. (And why would you do that?)
Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by shareme on Monday March 08, 2010 @06:14PM (#1176794)
It really sucks from a developer perspective in that one of the major differences between iphone and android is that you could download an apk from non market sources and now they remove that choice from users grasp.
Re:Android On Lockdown: AT&T Removes Best Parts of Android f... by jsz0 on Monday March 08, 2010 @07:33PM (#1177013)
It also sucks for developers that Motorola is still actively releasing new Android devices with such dated hardware. This is basically a glorified G1 (~500Mhz CPU, 256MB RAM) I'm not sure how that's going to play when we're very likely to see 1.5Ghz multi core CPUs with 4x+ as much RAM being released this year That's quite a big gap in specs between the low end and high end for brand new devices that are going to be in use 2 years from now and beyond.