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Re:IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson by mark_l_watson on Sunday May 22, 2016 @10:59PM (#11751544)
Machine learning is doing fine, please don't worry about that!

My wife was trying to find an old photo tonight and all I had to do was suggest that she go to google photos and search based on description. Same thing with Facebook recognizing images.

I am getting into using deep learning for NLP, and that looks promising. Google's parser is interesting but I want to see how quickly they can get many layer networks to do things like anaphora resolution (match up pronouns with previous noun phrases).

Re:IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson by rm999 on Sunday May 22, 2016 @11:34PM (#11751675)
I agree machine learning isn't going anywhere - and yes the big companies are going to solve increasingly complex problems using increasingly complex methods using their data and resources.

The trend I'm seeing is medium sized companies (think 10's of millions to low billions market cap) not solving simple, highly impactful problems using potentially simple machine learning techniques. A basic regression model that was state of the art 75 years ago can often add millions of dollars in immediate value if applied to the right problems. Instead, these companies often prefer to do what they know best, which is hire people to perform repeatable-but-not-easily-scriptable tasks.

The moment machine learning-illiterate executives start getting burned (one CEO to the other: "oh yeah, we spent X dollars on <insert hyped machine learning platform here> and it was useless"), is the moment that the hype can start destroying value.

Re:IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson by daveguy on Monday May 23, 2016 @09:04AM (#11753562)
> The moment machine learning-illiterate executives start getting burned (one CEO to the other: "oh yeah, we spent X dollars on <insert hyped machine learning platform here> and it was useless"), is the moment that the hype can start destroying value.

This is a perfect description of how AI winters come to be. However, I think the upcoming winter will be more like an AI Fall. Some technologies over hyped and over sold will fall out of favor and people will be skeptical. However, companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple who are using AI internally and can quantify improvements will continue to do so. The hype cycle is definitely going toward the slowly rising plateau rather than another crash. There is critical mass. Maybe this is what people though before in AI hype cycles (we are definitely in one), but in previous cycles we didn't have near human image recognition essentially solved.

Re:IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson by ktRolster on Sunday May 22, 2016 @11:07PM (#11751582)
Better parsers are interesting, but I feel like the parsers we have already are 'good enough.'

The biggest hole in NLP is going from a parsed sentence to 'meaning.' Once we get that right, and are able to feed meaning back into the parser, then all our parsing problems will be fixed imo.

Re:IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson by graycat on Monday May 23, 2016 @01:41AM (#11752120)
Let me suggest that the meaning will require working effectively with concepts. That is, humans, who actually have real intelligence, can read words and identify and work with the underlying concepts, but apparently so far no one knows how to program a computer to do this.
Re:IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson by badlogic on Monday May 23, 2016 @02:22AM (#11752248)
The parsers available are good enough for English. Sadly, that's absolutely not true for other languages.
Re:IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson by realusername on Monday May 23, 2016 @06:50AM (#11753002)
As a French with a strong accent, Siri probably understands only half of what I say and I have to make lots of efforts.
Re:IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson by hutzlibu on Monday May 23, 2016 @06:28AM (#11752928)
So you are saying, all we need is true AI to fix our parsing problems? Well then, all is clear and easy now ...

(How else would the computer understand "meaning" without beeing strong AI)

Re:IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson by ktRolster on Monday May 23, 2016 @11:07AM (#11754323)
Sort of, more like, "our parsing is good enough for our use cases, we'd make more progress if we focused instead on getting closer to true AI"

We don't even need true understanding of meaning, even a lousy approximation would be an improvement at this point (or I should say, a slightly less lousy approximation compared to what we have now).