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Re:Top developers can have a life outside coding by bad_user on Saturday May 21, 2016 @06:42AM (#11744184)
I'm from Romania, Europe. Don't know what a "top developer" is, but I'm not unemployed, I'm not a student, I have a wife and a son and I'm not low income, in fact being paid at least 4x the national average for software developers, my salary being on equal footing with the US, not the Bay Area mind you, but given the high cost of life there, my income is higher relative to where I live.

And I also contribute open source, a lot by my standards.

Yes my company allows open source because it is in our interest. We are contractors you see, open source bringing us visibility. I would say that open source is the reason for why I can have earnings higher than average, for one because my projects shine brighter than any resume (and I have a decent resume as well), because being able to show working code counts more than stories, but also because my work has transformed me from a full stack developer to one that is also specialized on more niche problems. Like I don't shine if you make me query MySQL, but I'm worth it if you make me handle problems of distributed systems.

But I'm not going to lie to you. It's freaking hard and it does end up eating into your family life, even though most open source I do is for helping at work and done during work hours when it's justifiable. I'm not able to sustain a constant pace. I can't do it without risking burnout. Hence I'm not one of those folks that commit every day. I can have entire months without contributions. But then when I do have contributions, shit gets serious, or in other words I finish was I start.

Re:Top developers can have a life outside coding by hk__2 on Saturday May 21, 2016 @07:39AM (#11744320)
> I'm not low income, in fact being paid at least 4x the national average for software developers

Out of curiosity, what is the average salary for software developers in Romania?

Re:Top developers can have a life outside coding by a_imho on Saturday May 21, 2016 @07:59AM (#11744381)
I can only speak for Hungary, it should be pretty similar, figures per month gross, net is ~2/3 of that, rough estimates as follows

minimum wage $300 average wage $900 (official statistics for 2016 Q1) fresh graduate developer $1000 3-5 years of experience $2000-$3000

Can't speak for top engineers, but it would be surprising if more than a couple earns over $6000, it flats out pretty fast.

Re:Top developers can have a life outside coding by nickpsecurity on Saturday May 21, 2016 @01:30PM (#11745417)
Wait, is that per month? What's cost of living in an area with plenty of decent, IT people?
Re:Top developers can have a life outside coding by kowdermeister on Saturday May 21, 2016 @02:16PM (#11745577)
Also from Hungary, Budapest. Yes, those are monthly numbers. At BP you can rent a nice flat of 60-80 square meters for 420-500$. A beer is 2-3$ and on average you need 3-500$ to spend on casual things. It depends heavily on your lifestyle obviously, but I find it hard to spend a lot.

This is quite accurate: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?coun...

Re:Top developers can have a life outside coding by nickpsecurity on Saturday May 21, 2016 @02:24PM (#11745610)
That site is great! I love the detailed breakdown. I'm envious of what fresh food cost you. Strange enough, the beer and rent are comparable to my area. Utilities cost significantly more there than here. Our Internet costs a bit more but I get 50Mbps down. Clothing and apparel is similarly expensive.
Re:Top developers can have a life outside coding by je42 on Saturday May 21, 2016 @07:55AM (#11744366)
It's obvious. Take Bay Area average divide by 4 ;)