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Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by ikeboy on Saturday May 14, 2016 @01:40PM (#11697206)
Two rants:

Signed up for pickydomains a while back, they send me emails every time there's a new listing. I decide I don't want to get the email anymore. Click the unsubscribe link. They want me to sign in. I sign in, and am unable to do anything without agreeing to their changed Terms of Service.

In other words, I have no way to get them to stop emailing me without agreeing to new terms.

Similarly, I once signed up for a trial of IBD newspaper. I still get emails from them occasionally (although those at least go to spam), and the unsubscribe link requires a sign in, which I don't remember. I could probably reset my password if I cared enough, though.

(These are just the two I remember, I'm sure there's been others that were similar. I had an issue with PayPal spam at one point as well but it was more complicated.)

As far as I can tell, both of those are in violation of the CANSPAM act. Companies are required to offer an opt out link with no additional requirements to opt out. But there's no consumer right of action, so the only one who can enforce it is the government, and they focus on worse spammers, so real businesses that are just aggressive mostly get off free.

Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by arjie on Saturday May 14, 2016 @03:49PM (#11697740)
If a single click doesn't unsubscribe, I click Report Spam. Gmail takes care of it from there on.
Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by ikeboy on Saturday May 14, 2016 @03:52PM (#11697762)
But if it's an otherwise legitimate company, not enough people will do that and so Gmail won't end up flagging it.

(I don't think spam flags are personalized, so even to me future emails wouldn't go to spam. I could set up a filter, though.)

Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by pluma on Saturday May 14, 2016 @04:08PM (#11697827)
Depending on where you and the company are, you can actually sue them.

EDIT: To clarify: in Germany you can sue companies for spam and making the opt-out unnecessarily difficult. Of course the damages are so trivial you'll likely overpay but there are enough bored lawyers that these things tend to happen every now and then.

Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by ikeboy on Saturday May 14, 2016 @04:14PM (#11697851)
In the US you can't.

I looked up the federal law at one point and private individuals had no rights beyond reporting to the FTC. ISPs may have standing if they can show harm.

See https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/inbox/can-spam_standing and http://www.dwt.com/advisories/9th_Circuit_Deals_Blow_to_Prof...

Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by bitJericho on Sunday May 15, 2016 @01:47AM (#11699637)
My state has laws on spam and you can sue.
Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by ikeboy on Sunday May 15, 2016 @08:29AM (#11700652)
Which state? One of the links in my comment says that canspam supersedes state laws, although I don't know how far that goes.
Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by bitJericho on Sunday May 15, 2016 @08:43AM (#11700692)
http://www.legis.nd.gov/cencode/t51c27.pdf

I see now that the majority of this document could have expired. Not sure where to find these "notes" that the document talks about. It also says federal law would preempt. So yeah... talk to a lawyer I guess!

Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by ikeboy on Sunday May 15, 2016 @09:27AM (#11700814)
According to http://www.spamlaws.com/state/nd.shtml it expires when a federal law is passed and comes into law that supersedes it.
Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by cm2187 on Saturday May 14, 2016 @07:28PM (#11698527)
Unsubscribing is a waste of time. Even when they do stop the spam, in 99% of the time it is only temporary and after a few months they start again. Deletable email aliases is the solution. If they spam you, you show them the finger and delete the alias.
Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by ikeboy on Saturday May 14, 2016 @07:33PM (#11698544)
That's true for actual spammers (i.e. if they buy your address from a list and so on) but not for legitimate companies. Both examples I gave are real companies that I signed up for. I'm pretty sure if I managed to unsubscribe they would honor it.
Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by cm2187 on Sunday May 15, 2016 @09:19AM (#11700794)
No I have many examples in my mailbox from major companies.
Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by ikeboy on Sunday May 15, 2016 @09:28AM (#11700818)
Can you name and shame them, like I did?
Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by cm2187 on Sunday May 15, 2016 @09:35AM (#11700839)
Looking at my spam folder: Air France, freelancer.com, Addison Lee, Pluralsight, etc. I gave up playing whack a mole with unsubsubribe links that never get honored. I now filter emails automatically by domain name and/or keyword (for the companies that got my email before I switched to this alias system).
Re:When Websites Won’t Take No for an Answer by dredmorbius on Saturday May 14, 2016 @09:03PM (#11698827)
That had been my experience for quite some time. More recently it seems to actually have some effect.

As I'd just noted in another comment, many senders use a mail service provider, and a single bad actor can have very bad knock-on consequences, even for mail which doesn't transit the MSP (SPF records listing MSP IP space).

For many major brands / companies, unsubscribes work reasonably well. I've seen some success with this, don't offer email addresses generally, and flag the remainder as spam, with blackhole rules in my various filtering tools.

The larger problem with email is I simply don't trust it any more.