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Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by EliRivers on Thursday May 12, 2016 @05:53PM (#11687062)
Sad news.

"They wanted to inspire good service with their tips". It's nice that they want something. I want a pony. Neither of these things happen.

Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by stcredzero on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:25PM (#11687282)
"They wanted to inspire good service with their tips"

Friends of mine who have been wait staff have unanimously concluded that tips appear random to them. There's no pattern of behavior they can interpret from patrons or which patrons want, other than simple competence.

Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by wccrawford on Friday May 13, 2016 @12:15PM (#11691230)
I'm sure it appears that way, because there's no way to know what someone would have tipped if you'd done better.

If someone does poorly, I give them a baseline tip. Probably 10%, but still 15% if I'm in a good mood anyhow.

If they do well, they'll get 20%, up to 30% for really, really good service.

But the guy next to me might go from 0% to 10% for awful to great service.

There's just no way to know what a tip means.

Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by techthroway443 on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:00PM (#11687120)
This comment doesn't make sense to me.

Neither of these things happen.

You are saying tips aren't based on quality of the service?

Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by toomuchtodo on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:04PM (#11687155)
> That's actually exactly what happens if you are working to get a better tip - percent based on your service.

Can you provide a citation? Because all data points to tipping in no way being connected to the service you provide.

The best way to receive a tip (based on research)? Be female. Be blonde. Have large breasts.

So lets dispense with this nonsense that tipping incentivizes service workers. Its a thinly veiled, widespread (successful) attempt at wage theft.

http://www.tippingresearch.com/most_recent_tipping_papers.ht...

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/should-tipping-be-banned-a-n...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/17/abolish-tipping_n_5...

Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by techthroway443 on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:11PM (#11687217)
> Can you provide a citation?

Have you ever eaten out in your life? How many times have you left a 20 percent tip for a waiter who forgot to put in your order, brought the wrong food, was mean to you, etc.

Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by toomuchtodo on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:13PM (#11687225)
> How many times have you left a 20 percent tip

Always. If I have an issue with the service, I take it up with management.

I don't short change someone's wages because of a perceived or actual deficiency. What am I? Some sort of monster? Just because the rest of society is cheap and short changes service workers because they can get away with it (until labor law gets fixed), that does not make it right.

And if you say, "I can't afford to tip 20 percent all the time", well then my friend, you can't afford to be eating out. Why do you think its more costly to eat out in Europe than the US? Because staff are paid a living wage there.

Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by techthroway443 on Thursday May 12, 2016 @11:26PM (#11688441)
Sure you can take it up with management but why are you giving extra money to the person who just gave you bad service? Tipping is for the quality of service you receive, and if it's bad service it's absolutely pointless for you to reward that shitty behavior. By all means go ahead but I'm not sure you quite understand the point of tipping in the first place
Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by oarsinsync on Friday May 13, 2016 @07:36AM (#11689791)
> I'm not sure you quite understand the point of tipping in the first place

The point of tipping is to prevent the employer from having to pay a fair wage. Someone who works in such industries depend on tips for their livelihoods. Not performing at 100% resulting in a significant drop in earnings isn't really fair.

Given the typical audience on here, a reasonable comparison would be for employers to be docking wages based on time spent not working. Given how many of us visit this site at work, that could be a substantial drop in wages.

Then again, you might be making so much money that it doesn't impact you. Servers aren't. They might just be having a bad day. Their mistakes on serving you will have less of an impact on your life than your not tipping them.

Most of them are human beings trying to survive. Most of them are not making enough to do more than that.

Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by libraryatnight on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:24PM (#11687281)
My parents always told me that if you intend to tip less or not at all then you have an issue worthy of management, if it's not worthy of management, then proceed normally even if not completely thrilled with the staff. Their logic being the tip is part of their pay, if you're docking their pay, it must be severe and management should be involved.

So, I've tipped 20 percent to mediocre waitstaff plenty.

I also have this bleeding heart issue where I feel like maybe I was there on their bad day and I tip well because I've had those days :)

Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by jghn on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:21PM (#11687263)
I tip pretty much the same unless the service is out of this world extraordinary. If I truly have a problem that I think would deserve a lower tip, I'd be speaking to the management.
Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by GFK_of_xmaspast on Thursday May 12, 2016 @08:24PM (#11687780)
Of course I'm going to leave a regulation tip. I'm not going to be the ass in this situation. (And if the mistakes were due to things like "the restaurant is incredibly busy" or "one of the other tables is full of jerks", I'll tip more because they're probably having a worse day than I am).
Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by yazaddaruvala on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:22PM (#11687266)
> Forgot to put in your order, brought the wrong food, was mean to you

These are all descriptions of under adequate service and this server should be reprimanded, potentially fired if this keeps up.

Examples of under adequacy removed; You and the parent seem to have similar outlooks. As soon as a server meets the bar for adequate service, the customer is obliged to tip 10-20% based entirely on what they can sustainibly afford.

Rarely does one go higher than 20%, for the truly grand experience.

Re:Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips – It Didn’t La... by readams on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:04PM (#11687162)
The research is clear the the tips have very little to do with quality of service, and much more to do with who the customers are and who the servers are. More, waiters getting low tips tend to think their customers are cheap and not that their service was poor.

So when he says that this doesn't happen it's a claim that is well supported by research.