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Re:The Internet Economy by amelius on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @02:13PM (#11669281)
> Google of course needs a vibrant web for its search engine to remain useful

So why did they build Android on top of Java then? Wouldn't it have been much smarter to build Android on top of Javascript+HTML where suitable, possibly extending the standards where needed?

All these "apps" nowadays represent a move away from the web.

Re:The Internet Economy by LoSboccacc on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @05:25PM (#11670791)
I don't think cpu were ready back then. Sure you had that blackberry thing using the equivalent of the modern embedded webview but you couldn't do much heavy lifting with it.

Also many standard didn't exist. Maybe today, with webgl and asm.js and web workers It's viable, but in the days native access was the only way to provide a smooth experience. See: http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/11/mark-zuckerberg-our-biggest...

Re:The Internet Economy by amelius on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @06:21PM (#11671168)
Good points, but I think that Facebook's problems might have been more about integration than about performance.
Re:The Internet Economy by LoSboccacc on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @01:42AM (#11672859)
Found the technical writeup http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-coremob/2012Sep/0...

Two main issues back then were scrolling perrformance and memory constraints.

We're working at image heavy microsites at lookcast and I can confirm memory issues and composition performances are still constraining what we can do on devices.

Re:The Internet Economy by Natanael_L on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @02:53PM (#11669603)
That would have made the performance far worse in particular on low end devices. And there were no sufficient, complete and useful HTML5 standards that could allows web apps to compete with local software.

Extending the web standards would simply have been too much work and caused too much trouble.

Re:The Internet Economy by amelius on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @03:27PM (#11669877)
> That would have made the performance far worse in particular on low end devices.

Well, the most important thing people do, even on low-end devices, is browse the web.

Re:The Internet Economy by 0xsnowcrash on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @01:26AM (#11672805)
Arguably not. But even with this use case, the Web has got significantly more complex. Local Storage, local databases, GPS access, gesture detection to name a few. That all hits Web performance hard especially on earlier mobile devices.
Re:The Internet Economy by c1sc0 on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @03:54PM (#11670109)
No, that would be IM/chat these days
Re:The Internet Economy by amelius on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @04:23PM (#11670353)
Ok. But does that require more performance than webbrowsing?
Re:The Internet Economy by LoSboccacc on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @05:26PM (#11670796)
Re:The Internet Economy by frik on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @04:46PM (#11670526)
A company worked on Android for several years, then Google bought it.

Google has ChromeOS, with a HTML based shell. And there were some news articles that Google is merging ChromeOS and Android - we will see if those speculations were true.

Re:The Internet Economy by bobajeff on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @11:51PM (#11672538)
In addition to this. J2ME and Symbian (the two biggest mobile platforms when Android was being developed) were both based off Java so it made sense to use it.
Re:The Internet Economy by sbierwagen on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @01:49AM (#11672878)
That was tried, with the first gen iPhone, and again with the Palm Pre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebOS

It was awful. I owned a first gen palm pre, and it was dog slow.

Re:The Internet Economy by simonh on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @04:25AM (#11673493)
Exactly, the very first iPhone didn't even have installable third party apps. 'Why didn't they sue webaps' ignores the fact that it was tried right from the word go and in a fight with native apps that was skewed in web apps favour, they still lost massively.

Chrome OS is of course an attempt to build an OS entirely on HTML and Javascript, but you don't see it on phones because the memory, CPU and power requirements are too high. Eventually these problems will likely be solved, FirefoxOS was another attempt, but if we can't even do it right now there's no way it was a viable option back in 2005.

Re:The Internet Economy by eatmorekale on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @01:50AM (#11672880)