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Re:Saudi Arabia and Iran: The Cold War of Islam by notahacker on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @12:24PM (#11668355)
And yet, many historically Muslim societies do have a significant degree of separation between church and state. Turkey - a 99% Muslim society - introduced a secular constitution decades ago, and its secularist policies has seen women barred from political office or even jailed for covering their hair in a religiously-prescribed manner. Similarly, whilst the central Asian states and Muslim parts of China originally had secular government imposed on them by outside powers rather than phased in by indigenous nationalists, there's little doubting the separation of church and state exists.

Sure, I'd be the first to agree that trying to introduce the wedge from the outside is incredibly dangerous and liable to backfire (even though in the long run it worked pretty much everywhere in the Soviet sphere of influence bar Afghanistan). But a large degree of separation of church and state is entirely possible with most of the population remaining Muslim.

And frankly, the degree of separation of religion and politics is often overstated in the West. I mean, I live in a country with govt-funded parochial schools and an actual established church with formal political power... and I'd still consider it to be a society where religion has less influence on politics than the US.

Re:Saudi Arabia and Iran: The Cold War of Islam by FreedomToCreate on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @12:33PM (#11668444)
Turkey is slowly become less and less secular and the same can be said about many of the former muslim majority Soviet Nations. Iran and Saudi are already way past any form of separation (Iran is a complete Theocracy and Saudi is essentially a religious monarchy).

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_Turkey

Re:Saudi Arabia and Iran: The Cold War of Islam by dmix on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @05:50PM (#11670961)
Northern and eastern African states are rapidly adopting Islam and it's merging with state policy. Also Malaysia and a lesser extent Indonesia. There is definitely a trend away from separating mosque-and-state. Examples of the inverse all seem to come from before the last two decades.

Time will tell if it will have a positive impact on developing nations that currently lack strong community/political structure.

Turkey is none-the-less a curious case given their economic status and political history.

Re:Saudi Arabia and Iran: The Cold War of Islam by Apocryphon on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @12:28PM (#11668395)
Not to mention, pre-Soviet invasion and disruption, Afghanistan under the monarchy was fairly secular:

https://hmstur.wordpress.com/2014/11/23/afghan-women-and-a-m...

Re:Saudi Arabia and Iran: The Cold War of Islam by russnewcomer on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @12:50PM (#11668590)
I'd disagree with that assessment. It seems that Kabul had pockets that were growing into secularism. The country as a whole was not. Qandahar never had the dip into secularism.

Too many Westerners (my apologies if you are not, I am, and I see this contention that you have brought forth from many of them) read things about 'Afghanistan' that are really about Kabul. It's similar to equating New York City to all of America.

Re:Saudi Arabia and Iran: The Cold War of Islam by vosper on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @12:48PM (#11668574)
Also Indonesia and Malaysia, both large Muslim-majority countries (Islam is the state religion of Malaysia).