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Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by pj_mukh on Monday May 09, 2016 @03:24PM (#11662419)
This "seems" like an American phenomenon. As a liberal, I can have a fully formed debate with a British Conservative, A Canadian conservative, a European conservative (sans latent Nazism), however the dominant American conservative seems to be operating on a completely different plain and set of assumptions. I find it extremely difficult to relate to and debate the American conservative. In general, if an american <insert institution here> (college, newspaper etc.) seems uber-liberal in America, it is just run-of-the-mill centrist in most other countries. Not because of any stated or unstated institutional biases, but simply because its been labelled so by a relentless, uncompromising, hyper-focussed and hugely disciplined conservative media looking for easy answers.

P.S: Also the predilection to openly say "Compromise is impossible", esp behind the scenes, also seems to be a unique attribute of the American Conservative.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by SFLemonade on Monday May 09, 2016 @04:44PM (#11663010)
Many American liberals are just as hard-headed and difficult to debate with. The Overton Window has shifted in the past couple years and the original leftists are now centrists. America has become radically polarized and the radical liberals and just as dangerous and closed-minded as the radical conservatives.

You should also bear in mind that you're commenting on an article where liberals deliberately censored conservative news media. That doesn't do much to support your assertions.

The fact that the American leftist view would be considered centrist in most other countries (like, for example, the nordic countries) is essentially meaningless. Just because "left" takes on different meanings or extremes in different parts of the world doesn't mean that the US is behind or should become more left. To compare US politics to those of Finland, Switzerland, or even Canada is completely absurd. We are a fundamentally different people, system, land mass, you name it. Our political system must take that into account.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by pj_mukh on Monday May 09, 2016 @04:58PM (#11663152)
Point being, Facebook's audience is majority international and it most of all wants to make money. If you occam's razor this, Facebook is simply presenting people with what they want to hear (a well-proven phenomenon[1]). The report has shown nothing to prove that there is some sort of committee that decides which political stances facebook is going to shove down people's throats, but we know it has MULTIPLE groups trying to increase engagement. The international community believes that the American right is nuts, voila, Facebook selectively presents this as the dominant news. Click, click, click...PROFIT.

[1]:https://www.ted.com/talks/eli_pariser_beware_online_filter_b...)

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by SFLemonade on Monday May 09, 2016 @05:17PM (#11663293)
I totally see what you're saying, but that's not what happened here. This was deliberate and subjective curation by a group of similarly politically minded individuals, despite the fact that the feed appeared to be organic. They were pushing a political agenda in the US.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by pj_mukh on Monday May 09, 2016 @06:24PM (#11663703)
Yes, I can see how this can be interpreted as that but I don't see any evidence of this in the report. All it says is, some un-named higher up sometimes made the call of what to show and what to not? Based on what? Liberal talking points or carefully measured clickbait titles that had previously led to more user engagement. Given their recent earnings report, what is more likely?
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by blisterpeanuts on Monday May 09, 2016 @04:00PM (#11662663)
>>> I find it extremely difficult to relate to and debate the American conservative

Yet, the topic here is that conservative-related news items appear to have been suppressed or down-scored on the influential Facebook trending box, presumably by liberal or liberal-leaning curators (or algorithms written by liberal leaning programmers).

How do you conclude that conservatives are uncompromising or closed minded when in fact it is the liberal side that is closing the door here?

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by pj_mukh on Monday May 09, 2016 @04:12PM (#11662746)
Most of Facebook's users are international. There is a chance that what is "liberal" in America is simply something that runs counter to the American conservatives disciplined beliefs.

Example #1: When a prominent American conservative does something like shutdown the government instead of compromising (remember compromising gets you booted at the next elections see: Paul Ryan). To most of the world (liberal and conservative), this is nuts. Facebook bubbles news reports about how "crazy" this is to the top. American news media will most likely call this a liberal bias when really it's just an international one.

Example #2: If facebook, editorializes a giant Ice-sheet melting and how that is related to anthropogenic global warming (something most International conservatives have accepted), most American conservatives will call that to be liberal bias. Note that this is not about policy decisions, most international conservatives don't agree with Carbon Taxes for instance, but one of just straight facts and assumptions.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by MustardTiger on Monday May 09, 2016 @04:22PM (#11662826)
Your examples are not what happens though. What happens is promoting stories favorable to democrat politicians, hiding stories favorable to republican politicians, covering up "refugee" crimes, reporting completely made up "evil right wing death squad nazis" doing evil anti-refugee things that never happened, etc, etc.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by vsl on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @06:49AM (#11666230)
> covering up "refugee” crimes

This. Facebook agreeing to work with German government to do something about “racism” comments in German version (read: FB users talking about Cologne attacks that weren’t covered by mainstream press at all for weeks). FB blocking links to a mainstream respectable media’s article about freedom of speech in Czech version.

I have no doubt that FB doesn’t consider it bias. They’re righteous and seeing that attitude all over the supposedly “liberal” sphere is frightening.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by popmystack on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @09:28AM (#11666965)
Because when has hyperbolic stories about immigrants ever gotten out of hand?
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by MustardTiger on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @05:57PM (#11671005)
I don't know, when? And what exactly is "out of hand", and how out of hand does it need to be before censorship becomes good?
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by chris_wot on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @08:36PM (#11671826)
In Australia. You might want to search for "The Children Overboard Affair".
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by MustardTiger on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @09:59PM (#11672148)
I don't follow. That story got out of hand? In what way? And again, how out of hand does a story need to get to make censorship good?
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by chris_wot on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @12:00AM (#11672565)
Try looking it up first.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by dang on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @04:04PM (#11678768)
Please don't perpetuate spats.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by chris_wot on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @06:41PM (#11679959)
Sorry. It's just that a Google search would have taken him to this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_Overboard_affair

Which was a release of wrong information that demonised refugees for supposedly throwing their children into the water to blackmail the Howard government into letting them into Australia. This was released by Peter Reith, but it was subsequently revealed it was nothing of the sort, but it helped create a moral panic that boosted the electoral prospects of the Howard government, who subsequently won. It wasn't checked carefully by media organizations who ran the story - so it indeed got out of hand.

Which answered his question.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by MustardTiger on Thursday May 12, 2016 @08:18AM (#11682800)
A google search did take me to that, which doesn't answer my question at all. A false story is not a story getting out of hand. It is a false story. And it doesn't address the main question of "how out of hand does a story need to be to make censorship good?".
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by dang on Thursday May 12, 2016 @03:50PM (#11686215)
Really, please stop, both of you.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by MustardTiger on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @07:42AM (#11674332)
I did. Now please explain what you mean. Acting as though anyone who can not read your mind is some sort of mentally defective reject not worth bothering with is in rather poor taste.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by chris_wot on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @08:11AM (#11674494)
I would, but your response is so aggressive I think I'll pass this time.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by MustardTiger on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @10:10AM (#11675393)
If you would, then you would have. You didn't the first time I asked, or the second, why pretend you would the third time?
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by dang on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @04:03PM (#11678759)
Please stop. Comments here need to be civil and substantive, and yours are crossing both lines.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by welanes on Monday May 09, 2016 @04:24PM (#11662837)
Sure, however the issue is how does this news 'bubble up'?

Because the International Facebook community are sharing and commenting on it organically, or because a group of liberal curators decide that's what Facebook users will see in the trending column?

As far as I understand, it's not the news that's being promoted (let's display this article on global warming, for example) that's the issue here, it's the news that's being suppressed (this Donald Trump post is getting popular, but I don't like his views so let's not display it).

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by wyclif on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @09:41PM (#11672069)
Isn't the newsfeed you see on Facebook specific to the country you're from?
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by pdeuchler on Monday May 09, 2016 @04:36PM (#11662940)
Wow, a non-falsifiable argument about how another side is a priori wrong. I'm sure this is a reasonable point to make.