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Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by cisstrd on Monday May 09, 2016 @01:03PM (#11661333)
What is a "health" product or not is of no value to the discussion here I think, we can debate all day long about what way of eating is correct or not, then let me put it in broader terms: Targeting different groups with different products that actually might have nothing in common or even be antagonists in a way, is nothing immoral or unusual. I used the term "health product" as an antagonist to their sugary products.

I did not in any way say Nestle is not selling the cause and the solution, I was trying to make that point that this in itself is meaningless and in no sense immoral.

As kazinator brilliantly put it:

"Yamaha wants to sell you noise-canceling headphones, and a motorcycle."[1]

We can talk about a tax on sugars, we can talk about a different regulatory framework, but I see nothing wrong with what Nestle is doing here given the current legal and regulatory situation.

And people make their choices, if Nestle wouldn't sell product x, someone else would in some form, they are trying that you choose their product, that's all, that's called competition.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11659815

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by yomly on Monday May 09, 2016 @01:59PM (#11661767)
Out of interest - if a cigarette company started selling lung cancer treatment, would you still hold this stance?

I would hazard to say that the analogy I've chosen aligns more closely with the stance of the article and the posters taking a condemnatory tone than your Yamaha analogy does.

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by yomly on Monday May 09, 2016 @02:57PM (#11662199)
Don't really understand the downvotes here can people explain why they are downvoting?

The parent opinion is that Nestle is a large corporation and they are diversifying their revenue streams as every profit-seeking company is entitled to.

The other opinion elsewhere on this thread is that sugar is the enemy and therefore Nestle should be held accountable for first causing a problem then charging people for offering the solution.

It's probably going to be hard to reconcile either opinion given the subject of sugar in diets is already quite divisive, but is an attempt to illustrate the anti-sugar camp's perspective through an extreme but easily understood example not constructive?

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by rhizome on Monday May 09, 2016 @06:59PM (#11663923)
as every profit-seeking company is entitled to.

To be sure, this isn't a natural right. The entitlement is entirely a creation of policy and legislation, both of which can be modified or rescinded.

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by yomly on Monday May 09, 2016 @07:30PM (#11664114)
True, completely agree, but we currently live in a world where the majority of corporations will make profit up until the boundaries of legality.
Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by gerardnll on Monday May 09, 2016 @02:03PM (#11661814)
We are not talking about what is health or not, the sugar they sell is bad, that's it, there's no questioning, there are doctors that agree on that, non biased studies, half the USA is ill with diabetes, etc.

Every company has to have a social responsability, I don't see it here. They are causing harm with their products and they also sell the 'cure'. (actually the best is not to eat any of their products, then you don't need anything they sell, just eat 'real', non processed, food).

About Yamaha, motorcycles shouldn't make that many noise, that is the main problem, not the headphones.

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by lotharbot on Monday May 09, 2016 @02:26PM (#11661974)
> "the sugar they sell is bad, that's it, there's no questioning"

I question it.

There appears to be little-to-no scientific evidence that there are "bad" sugars and "good" sugars. From what I understand (I'm no doctor, just a person who reads a lot) the main problem is the volume of consumption, not "good" vs "bad" sugars. There's nothing wrong with a normal, healthy person having sugar in any of the forms Nestle sells, only with having too much of it.

Now, you could argue that they sell it in quantities that make it easy to have too much, but that's different from saying the sugar itself is bad.

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by throw7 on Monday May 09, 2016 @04:38PM (#11662954)
It's not only the dosage that does you in, but also the processing... which i think is what others are alluding to.

Meaning a can of soda has a whacky amount of sugar to begin with, but also, if compared to say an orange, has no fiber/roughage (which helps the insulin spike supposedly, plus orange will have good micro-nutrients and antioxidants).

I think people should be much more mindful of these manufactured processed foods and drinks, and why sticking to whole foods just makes sense.

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by lotharbot on Monday May 09, 2016 @05:07PM (#11663222)
> "It's not only the dosage that does you in, but also the processing"

but not the sugar itself -- it's the same chemical. (There are those who believe certain types of sugar are processed differently in your body, which is actually not true, at least based on the large body of scientific evidence available thus far.)

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by jfoutz on Monday May 09, 2016 @05:29PM (#11663381)
I don't believe different sugars are processed differently. I do thing that release mechanisms are different in, for example, corn vs corn syrup. The "extra stuff" you get with corn mediates how fast a body can absorb the sugar, the container needs to be broken down. So, in some sense, yes, all sugars are the same. The delivery system can change the rate of absorption though. *

* I have no proof of this. I'm making an uneducated guess that the insulin spikes aren't as steep or high with sweet fruits and vegetables compared with a spoon full of sugar.

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by ssijak on Monday May 09, 2016 @03:16PM (#11662352)
Sugar they sell you is bad, period. Every gram of their nutritionally empty sugar takes away from the caloric input that you could have got from real food with many other nutrients than pure energy. This in the long run makes a difference. And all this beside other bad effects of processed sugar like insulin spikes, etc.
Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by TeMPOraL on Monday May 09, 2016 @03:35PM (#11662500)
> Sugar they sell you is bad, period. Every gram of their nutritionally empty sugar takes away from the caloric input that you could have got from real food with many other nutrients than pure energy.

Again, is Nestle's sugar somehow chemically different than ordinary sugar?

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by marknutter on Monday May 09, 2016 @03:51PM (#11662600)
You're absolutely right! I'm going to tell my 4 year old she's done having chocolate. Period. No sense in taking way from the caloric input she could have gotten from real food. Ice cream, jellybeans, and cake is out too. She'll get a tofu slab for her birthdays and a cold, crisp glass of water for her desserts.
Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by emp_zealoth on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @02:20AM (#11665466)
Actually, just switching to non-sweetened water can mean no obesity. There are also studies that show heavily mechanically processed food is more caloric than expected - because it is ground so fine that there is real difference in energy required to break it down.
Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by md224 on Monday May 09, 2016 @02:25PM (#11661963)
> the sugar they sell is bad, that's it, there's no questioning

I dunno, I think sugar is pretty delicious. Not everything has to be about maximizing your lifespan, you know. A balanced life can include tasty stuff.

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by gerardnll on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @06:02AM (#11720814)
I don't use any sugar in any of my recipes (a part from pastry) and they are tasty. More than all this processed food. Just using whole foods. Maybe it's the mediterranean diet, we eat too good here in Spain ;P

At the end it is all about balance as you say, but I really prefer to be balancing between meals that are too caloric than processed foods which we don't even know which ingredients contain.