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Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by bduerst on Monday May 09, 2016 @01:02PM (#11661322)
How much of the cause of the diabetes endemic is Nestle though? Isn't lack of nutritional education more to blame?

It's easy to come down hard on the smoking industry due to the chemically addictive nature and serious health hazards of the product, but there are many consumers who moderate their fat and sugar intake. And then there are diabetics who don't consume any Nestle products - so why can't they be given treatment manufactured from a conglomerate?

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by lloyddobbler on Monday May 09, 2016 @02:18PM (#11661913)
Agreed.

As someone with Type 1 diabetes (look up the difference if you don't know), I'm always interested in this distinction. Sugary foods neither "give people" nor cause Type 2 diabetes. A person consistently consuming too many sugary foods over a long period of time causes themselves to be at higher risk for Type 2 diabetes.

Cigarettes are a different beast, due to the chemically-addictive nature of them (although in this day and age, one could make the argument that people of all ages should know better than to start smoking, and should thus bear responsibility for the outcome - but that's another discussion for another time).

Cigarettes != sugar. End of story.

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by jakubp on Monday May 09, 2016 @03:58PM (#11662645)
It is possible one day cigarettes will be considered a minor evil in comparison with sugar. Just you wait.
Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by bduerst on Monday May 09, 2016 @04:28PM (#11662873)
Only if second-hand sugaring becomes a trend and manages to beat out second-hand smoke in the evil dept.

It's interesting how hyper-aware western and particularly U.S. cultures are of sugar and fat. From the 1990's there's still the stigma that eating any sugar and fat will make you fat.

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by throwaway160303 on Monday May 09, 2016 @02:45PM (#11662107)
How are the dopamine hits from a nicotine-delivery product different from the dopamine hits from a glucose-delivery product?
Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by TeMPOraL on Monday May 09, 2016 @03:34PM (#11662486)
Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by miles on Monday May 09, 2016 @04:49PM (#11663053)
"Sugary foods neither 'give people' nor cause Type 2 diabetes"

High Sugar Consumption Linked To Type 2 Diabetes http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/257108.php

"For a while the association between sugar consumption and type 2 diabetes was thought to solely relate to weight gain, but new research conducted at UC San Francisco indicates that sugar intake may also be directly linked to diabetes.

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"This suggests for the first time that not all calories contribute to diabetes risk in the same way.

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"Diabetes rates increased the longer a population was exposed to excess sugar and it decreased when sugar availability went down.

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"Mation Nestle, PhD, a professor of nutrition, food studies and public health at New York University, said:

'As far as I know, this is the first paper that has had data on the relationship of sugar consumption to diabetes. This has been a source of controversy forever. It's been very, very difficult to separate sugar from the calories it provides. This work is carefully done, it's interesting and it deserves attention.'

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"A previous study in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences identified a similar association, revealing that added sugar and high fructose corn syrup may contribute to the development of obesity and diabetes."

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by bduerst on Monday May 09, 2016 @07:49PM (#11664218)
The very next sentence they wrote (after what you quoted out of context) is in alignment with the studies you linked.

Their point was that consumption behavior causes Type 2 diabetes, not the substance alone.

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by miles on Monday May 09, 2016 @10:12PM (#11664754)
I'm not sure this can be much clearer:

"For a while the association between sugar consumption and type 2 diabetes was thought to solely relate to weight gain, but new research conducted at UC San Francisco indicates that sugar intake may also be directly linked to diabetes."

"As far as I know, this is the first paper that has had data on the relationship of sugar consumption to diabetes. This has been a source of controversy forever. It's been very, very difficult to separate sugar from the calories it provides. This work is carefully done, it's interesting and it deserves attention."

Here's more on the study:

Quantity of sugar in food supply linked to diabetes rates, researcher says https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2013/02/quantity-of-s...

"Does eating too much sugar cause diabetes? For years, scientists have said 'not exactly.' Eating too much of any food, including sugar, can cause you to gain weight; it’s the resulting obesity that predisposes people to diabetes, according to the prevailing theory.

"But now the results of a large epidemiological study suggest sugar may also have a direct, independent link to diabetes. Researchers from the Stanford University School of Medicine, the University of California-Berkeley and the University of California-San Francisco examined data on sugar availability and diabetes rates from 175 countries over the past decade. After accounting for obesity and a large array of other factors, the researchers found that increased sugar in a population’s food supply was linked to higher diabetes rates, independent of obesity rates. Their study was published Feb. 27 in PLOS ONE."

Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by bduerst on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @02:25PM (#11677867)
All that says is that obesity isn't the only precursor of diabetes. Mass consumption of simple sugars is shown to be a cause of diabetes and a cause obesity. Mass consumption of sugar is not moderation.
Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by gukov on Monday May 09, 2016 @05:55PM (#11663528)
I'm also T1 and I think that sugar definitely plays a role in both T1 and T2. Sugar directly interacts with pancreas, consumption of sugar has skyrocketed, diabetes rates have skyrocketed. The official word on T1D is that we don't know what exactly causes it, it's not "sugar definitely doesn't cause it."
Re:Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes ... by megablast on Monday May 09, 2016 @08:05PM (#11664294)
> Isn't lack of nutritional education more to blame?

This is so easy to blame though, it is a cop out. Yes, lets spend more on education, but lets not raise taxes.