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Re:Why Suburbia Sucks by rayiner on Sunday May 08, 2016 @04:27PM (#11655614)
I doubt the suburbs are actually safer. I once did the math. If you add up shooting deaths and driving deaths, the rich suburb where I grew up is about as risky as one of the north side Chicago neighborhoods. And of course upper middle class white teens are going to be at lower than average risk of getting shot in the city, but at higher than average risk of wrapping themselves around a tree in the suburbs.

As for safe streets and good schools, it's a product of segregationist urban planning, not any intrinsic qualities of cities versus suburbs. We don't build public housing out in the suburbs, we do it in the cities. Our lack of transit makes it impossible for poor people to drive around in the suburbs. So our city schools are 90% low-income and have the problems that come with concentrated poverty.

Note that in places like Paris, the situation is reversed. Rich people live in the city (or out in the country). The suburbs are where the poor are herded into ghettos.

Re:Why Suburbia Sucks by ef4 on Sunday May 08, 2016 @05:22PM (#11655912)
> I doubt the suburbs are actually safer.

You are correct. The average American city dweller now experiences a lower crime rate than in suburbia. (That is an average, obviously some cities are dangerous and some suburbs are very safe.)

> Rich people live in the city

Yes, this is the long-run, natural state of cities. It's why they exist in the first place. They are where economic activity is most concentrated.

American has had a weird 60 years where we inverted that situation, but it is already beginning to revert back to historically normal.

Re:Why Suburbia Sucks by TheOtherHobbes on Sunday May 08, 2016 @06:21PM (#11656266)
It could be SUV syndrome.

SUVs feel safer, and they're sold as a safe choice - even though in practice they're dangerous cars.

In the same way, suburbia has always been sold as a safe option, even though politically, culturally, socially, and ecologically, the effects are devastating.

Re:Why Suburbia Sucks by kingkawn on Sunday May 08, 2016 @04:36PM (#11655668)
Lol at calling the north side risky
Re:Why Suburbia Sucks by cowsandmilk on Sunday May 08, 2016 @05:14PM (#11655867)
the point is that the same demographics of middle class and wealthy people in the city are just as safe as they are in the suburbs. That is the north side vs. Chicago suburbs.

Nothing about the south side of Chicago being "risky" is an inherent result of being in a city.

Re:Why Suburbia Sucks by kingkawn on Sunday May 08, 2016 @05:44PM (#11656043)
You're right, making the entire comparison pretty pointless from the start, hence my original point, lol at calling the north side risky.