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Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by cperciva on Sunday May 08, 2016 @02:07AM (#11652855)
I'm not sure what you mean by "should" here. Are you arguing that I've misstated the law, or that the law is stupid?
Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by hartpuff on Sunday May 08, 2016 @03:44AM (#11653103)
The law is not necessarily stupid, but an exception, if possible, probably should be made in this case, on moral grounds, since the kids seem to be victims of a situation they played no part in creating.
Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by cperciva on Sunday May 08, 2016 @04:17AM (#11653180)
There are seven billion people in the world who are victims of not being born Canadian citizens. The distinguishing fact of these two is that their parents pretended to be Canadian; but while I have sympathy for the kids, it seems that it would be a bit perverse to say that if parents lie to their kids for long enough then we have a duty to make those lies come true.
Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by hartpuff on Sunday May 08, 2016 @04:34AM (#11653223)
Who is saying anything remotely like "if parents lie to their kids for long enough then we have a duty to make those lies come true"?

Unless you're claiming 7 billion people in the world were born in Canada, the most distinguishing fact about these two is obviously not that their parents pretended to be Canadian.

Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by cperciva on Sunday May 08, 2016 @04:18PM (#11655561)
Unless you're claiming 7 billion people in the world were born in Canada

Not at all. I'm claiming that 7 billion people are not Canadian citizens due to the circumstances of their birth.

Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by hartpuff on Monday May 09, 2016 @04:01AM (#11658217)
> Not at all.

Then, as I said, the most distinguishing fact about these two is obviously not that their parents pretended to be Canadian.

There really is no point in arguing this since you believe the circumstances of someone born in Canada, raised to some extent in Canada, and having an affinity with Canada are analogous to someone who doesn't even know Canada exists, like a large proportion of that 7 billion you talk about.

BTW, did you edit your other post? Not that it changes anything, but I don't remember it saying "victims of not being born Canadian citizens" when I replied.

Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by hartpuff on Monday May 09, 2016 @03:51AM (#11658196)
Interesting that I've suddenly, just now, received no less than two downvotes on the above (otherwise popular) post and my post above it (4 simultaneous downvotes on just two posts), despite this currently sliding down Page 5 of HN.

To be legit, that's at least two separate people coincidentally downvoting the same day old posts at the same time, on a Page 5 submission.

Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by ScottBurson on Sunday May 08, 2016 @03:04PM (#11655266)
Not a duty. But I still think it would be the humane thing to do.
Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by tmptmp on Sunday May 08, 2016 @07:58AM (#11653654)
Very well said. Indeed, I could not have put it so better.
Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by computator on Sunday May 08, 2016 @03:03AM (#11653012)
Earlier you wrote:

> it was discovered that they had never been Canadian citizens in the first place. Their parents lied to them and told them that they were Canadians

You misunderstood a key fact from the article: They were born in Canada.

"You are probably a Canadian citizen if you were born in Canada", according to:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules/index.asp

where "probably" means there are very obscure exceptions that only a bureaucrat can dream up.

Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by MichaelGG on Sunday May 08, 2016 @03:48AM (#11653115)
Unless born to foreign government [government] workers.
Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by Symbiote on Sunday May 08, 2016 @06:18AM (#11653442)
To make this clearer:

This means diplomats, ambassadors, and other staff working in embassies etc. They get immunity from Canada's laws, and usually taxes, but in return get no benefits from being there. They aren't considered residents of Canada.

Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by takno on Sunday May 08, 2016 @08:20AM (#11653722)
The taxes thing was a pain when I worked in stores in Canada. You'd get about 10 customers a day presenting some kind of ID and claiming to be exempt from either gst or PST, and as a till monkey you'd have no knowledge or training in whether they were exempt or whether the IDs were legit. Add on people buying 6 cakes to avoid gst, and you might as well just press random tax buttons on the register
Re:We discovered our parents were Russian spies by FatalLogic on Sunday May 08, 2016 @08:21AM (#11653724)
Probably that was the spirit of the law, but the letter of the law happens to cover the sons' situation. It's an unlikely edge case that the people who drafted the law could never have foreseen.