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Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by mark-r on Friday May 06, 2016 @11:08AM (#11644478)
There's a question then, why are support towers solid? Maybe they should be made more like the Eiffel Tower?
Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by jacquesm on Friday May 06, 2016 @11:18AM (#11644545)
Because a lattice tower has much worse properties when it comes to interacting with the wind. The behavior of the air behind the rotor is as important as getting quality air to flow through the rotor.

Some early windparks used lattice towers, and some of those survive to the present but they are now known to be worse performance wise than tubular towers.

Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by logfromblammo on Friday May 06, 2016 @11:31AM (#11644627)
A Shukhov tower [0] has minimal wind loading, due to its hyperboloid sections.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shukhov_Tower

Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by jacquesm on Friday May 06, 2016 @11:49AM (#11644750)
That profile is not very well suited to having a windmill on top of it. The problem is that the nacelle is tilted backwards only a few degrees so you need a very slender tower (or you'll have tower strikes in high winds).
Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by logfromblammo on Friday May 06, 2016 @12:49PM (#11645134)
The cooling towers of a nuclear plant follow the same principle. The sides are formed from straight structural members angled in opposite directions (doubly ruled), and the gaps are filled with concrete.

The profile of a hyperbolic wind tower may be altered such that the cross section at maximum height minus blade radius is at a minimum. The largely conical profile of the existing Shukhov towers were used for power transmission lines and a radio broadcast antenna.

Check this out: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/tech/proposed-hyperboloid-...

Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by jacquesm on Friday May 06, 2016 @04:06PM (#11646395)
Interesting! You'd think that the major wind power manufacturers would have looked at all possibilities. One major immediate concern is that these look quite ugly and fat compared to the relatively thin and slender supports that the latest generation of turbines uses. I'd love to see a side-by-side comparison of these towers and the various alternatives.

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/78480146-crowley-ridge-wind...

Is one example of lattice towers in production that I know of (but not like the ones you describe and I have never seen those being used for windmills).

Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by logfromblammo on Friday May 06, 2016 @05:45PM (#11646916)
As mentioned in Jobs quote near the top of the article, you often find that people tend to do things in a certain way just because that is what has been done before. No one bothers to experiment because the old way has always been good enough.

This is why is is sometimes difficult to avoid premature optimization, because post-maturity optimization tends not to happen, even when it may be warranted. I know of no wind farm anywhere that is used for side-by-side comparisons of wind turbine technologies. It would very likely have to be owned by a university and supported by public funds.

I have never seen a hyperboloid lattice or diagrid structure in person, but they are not entirely unheard of for shapes that do not require a lot of space efficiency in the tower portion, such as for lighthouses, observation decks, water towers, radio towers, etc.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adziogol_Lighthouse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Port_Tower

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ciechanow_water_tower.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_Street_Bridge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspire_Tower

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton_Tower

Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by hueving on Monday May 09, 2016 @08:05PM (#11664292)
>No one bothers to experiment because the old way has always been good enough.

If you are a manufacturer though, you have all of the incentives to come up with something more efficient though. Wind turbines aren't controlled by a monopoly are they?

Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by scblock on Friday May 06, 2016 @11:23AM (#11644571)
Lattice towers were common in the past, and are still the best weight/material to strength choice. Other considerations have led to the tubular steel tower dominating, though a new generation of enclosed lattice towers is being developed.

https://renewables.gepower.com/wind-energy/technology/space-...

Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by elcapitan on Friday May 06, 2016 @11:14AM (#11644507)
Probably to be more durable, because of the closed surface - the Eiffel tower has very high maintenance costs as it has to be steadily re-painted. It would probably not be necessary that much for modern steels, but unlike wind turbines the Eiffel tower also does not stand close to the coast or directly in the sea, where highly corrosive winds blow.
Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by Cerium on Friday May 06, 2016 @12:18PM (#11644942)
Additionally the enclosed space is useful. Inside the wind tower is a lot of equipment. There is the electronics for converting the power and monitoring the wind tower. There is a lift for ease of access to the nacelle. Current wind towers are 80m tall, next generation wind towers are more than 100m to access more reliable higher strength winds.
Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by brandmeyer on Friday May 06, 2016 @03:57PM (#11646349)
I don't think this is a strong driver. GE 1.5 MW turbines only have a relatively small space near the base of the tower that is consumed by power electronics and control systems.

Siemens has largely gone to a system where everything is in the nacelle. This way it makes it easier to completely test and connect the power electronics and control, since more of the work is done at the factory instead of in the field. Labor and equipment is much more expensive in the field than in the factory.

Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by gumby on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @03:12AM (#11711828)
They kill a lot of birds too -- birds perch on the bars and then fly off only to be stuck by a blade they didn't see.
Re:Why Wind Turbines Have Three Blades by cr1895 on Friday May 06, 2016 @11:33AM (#11644639)
I know it's not really what you mean, but jacket foundations are fairly common in offshore wind. The emerged part is still always a solid tube.

https://www.iscpc.org/images/gallery/Jacket_Foundations_EWE....