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Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by kefka on Monday May 02, 2016 @10:43AM (#11611739)
Well, I'd say that the endocrine reason sounds like a valid one. I can at least be counted in that group.

Last December, I was diagnosed with T2 diabetes. After talking with a researcher about this (have worked with diabetes research school locally due to job), I came across a few things:

1. Damage is done to the pancreas at 140mg/dL 2. Too long at 140mg/dL or above can cause permanent damage to the pancreas. 3. Early estimates indicate that 110mg/dL is a lower limit of beginning damage to the pancreas

Ok. There's a lot of moving parts in food. Nutritionists will tell you all sorts of bunkum, other than mineral assays and tests have discovered. But there's a simple way here: keep blood sugar under 140mg/dL, no matter what.

Is that possible? To keep your blood sugar under 140mg/dL? Yes. The answer is "Don't eat foods that raise your blood sugar above 140mg/dL". That's interestingly easy. What it amounts to, is cutting out sugars and carbohydrates out of your diet, and extensively testing when you come across foods you're unsure of.

My research shows that all the standard sugars are bad for me (Sucrose, glucose, fructose, lactose). I spike, and then fall. It also depends on what I'm eating with them. In those cases the rise and fall are longer.

Some complex carbohydrates I can handle. Potatoes are a nope, as are bread products. But spaghetti squash works with me well. I can handle it nicely, with a very low rise and fall.

I also end up eating a lot of fats, protein, and veggies. But I don't crave sugar at all. I've always liked meats, and this gives me the ability to continue that.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by atria on Monday May 02, 2016 @11:14AM (#11612010)
^ This times 1000000. There is so much chicanery and malfeasance in the nutrition and fitness industry.

I was diagnosed with T2 diabetes a few years ago. I went to dietitian who prescribed a diet with 60% carbs (I believe its roughly the same as the ADA dietary guidelines). The standard treatment is medication, followed by more medication, then insulin shots.

Frustrated, I read everything I could get my hands on, and found two books that I'd highly recommend: 1) Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution, and 2) Think Like a Pancreas by Gary Scheiner. Dr. Bernstein is notable because he was diagnosed with T1 when it was a fatal condition. He survived, became an electrical engineer and ultimately went on to become an MD. He lobbied the AMA to allow patients to have blood glucose meters, when the AMA wanted them to be restricted to doctors offices.

I stopped listening to medical practitioners and starting experimenting with the foods I ate, using pairs testing with a glucose monitor. There is no question that a low carb diet is the way to go.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by AnthonyMouse on Monday May 02, 2016 @01:38PM (#11613606)
> I stopped listening to medical practitioners and starting experimenting with the foods I ate, using pairs testing with a glucose monitor.

I sometimes wonder if the state of medical ethics is killing us. We've made it so expensive to do a medical study that nobody is going to do it unless the end result is something they can sell, so the only "solutions" we get are drugs because there is no money to be made in prescribing diabetics a diet of fish and vegetables.

It's a sad state if an individual can learn more by experimenting on themselves than their doctor knows because the doctor isn't allowed to participate in or publish the result of the same experiment without a multi-million dollar budget.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by TearsInTheRain on Monday May 02, 2016 @01:56PM (#11613786)
Generally I would say the responsibility of doing something that is beneficial to society but not economical rests on government. Vote for politicians that will increase research funding
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by slededit on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @05:33PM (#11624413)
That is a very low standard of morality. Historically private institutions had greater trust and expectations from society. They may have abused that trust - but the solution is not to absolve them of what was their historic responsibility.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by burkaman on Monday May 02, 2016 @02:47PM (#11614269)
Aren't there tons of studies on whether some particular food is good for the heart, good for the brain, etc.? It's not that nobody does them, it's just really hard to get a conclusive result that applies to everyone. There are lots of foods that are both good and bad for you, depending on the study.

I think the problem might be more that there aren't very many universal results, and the fish and vegetables diet that works for one person won't work for others.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by dragonwriter on Monday May 02, 2016 @05:49PM (#11615968)
> Aren't there tons of studies on whether some particular food is good for the heart, good for the brain, etc.?

Not really. There's tons of studies on whether some particular food is connected to some very narrow positive or negative outcome for the heart, brain, etc., on which popular ideas about the food being generally good for the heart, brain, etc. are built. (And, from those, even flimsier popular ideas about the food being generally healthy or not.)

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by foota on Monday May 02, 2016 @10:02PM (#11617290)
I went to an interesting talk the other week about the potential for personalized medicine to and how what seemed like just throwing data at medical issues can eliminate this problem.

ie, you gather medical data from thousands of people and find someone similar on a micro level to the current patient and see what has helped them.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by bsder on Monday May 02, 2016 @06:00PM (#11616054)
> It's not that nobody does them, it's just really hard to get a conclusive result that applies to everyone.

Exactly. The research is starting to show that individual reactions vary dramatically.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by andrei_says_ on Monday May 02, 2016 @02:43PM (#11614228)
> "...no money to be made..."

That's the ethics of business. We have no healthcare; there's a healthcare industry and we are how it extracts its profits.

This inevitably corrupts the goals of an "ideal world" healthcare system which would exist to provide efficient and affordable healthcare.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by facepalm on Monday May 02, 2016 @06:25PM (#11616235)
I've heard the theory that establishing these high standards was actually in the best interest of the pharmacy industry. A great way to keep competition at bay, because only huge companies can afford to comply with the regulations.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by dikdik on Monday May 02, 2016 @06:21PM (#11616190)
Yes, this is sadly correct. In the pharma industry, we call it pleasing "the stakeholders." Many times more expensive tests/treatments/etc are developed over cheaper ones, as the risk seemingly (if the MBA stakeholders are to be believed) necessitates chasing medical innovations that will have the largest ROI.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by arkades on Monday May 02, 2016 @10:13PM (#11617335)
The limiting factor on medical research isn't ethics: it's samples large and diverse enough to have a meaningful ability to distinguish between null and alternative hypotheses.

We produce shit studies with small sample sizes and dodgy methodologies all the time. They just don't add to the pool of human knowledge.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by AnthonyMouse on Monday May 02, 2016 @10:45PM (#11617469)
> We produce shit studies with small sample sizes and dodgy methodologies all the time. They just don't add to the pool of human knowledge.

They actually do. A crappy study with p=.70 isn't enough to justify changing the standard treatment for a disease but it is enough to justify doing the more comprehensive study to see if the result still holds.

We have a choice between doing ten comprehensive studies only to prove that nine of the things didn't work, or using the same resources to do a hundred crappy studies and then repeat the five with the most promising results using the more robust methodology and discover that three of them still hold.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by arkades on Monday May 02, 2016 @11:58PM (#11617808)
You confuse p-value with methodology. P-value is entirely a product of sample size and effect size. For a given effect size, the cheaper I want the study to be, the smaller I make the sample, and the less likely I am to reach a significant p-value.

The problem is when the methodology itself is broken. For instance, using case-control methodologies on things with small-to-moderate effect sizes. Past studies comparing such studies with eventual RCTs showed that the case control studies gave absolutely no indication of what the RCTs would show as a consensus: it was entirely random.

There is no amount of money, small or large, worth throwing at studies that shift our prior probability to posterior by 0 units.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by cc81 on Monday May 02, 2016 @05:57PM (#11616032)
While doctors don't always know the most about a diet there is also the aspect of actually following the diet. People suck at following diets so giving one that is as little adjustment from a normal diet as possible might increase compliance and will result in predictable insulin levels.

If you pick a very strict diet then people drop the diet completely or cheat all the time, resulting in uneven insulin levels.

It is like inflammatory bowel disease. Many doctors rarely prescribe rectal medication for long term use even if it might be more effective than alternatives just because it is difficult enough to get people to take their pills.

But I do think diet suggestions will change more in the future when it comes to diabetes.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by mjlangiii on Monday May 02, 2016 @04:22PM (#11615227)
We don't need more research to answer most questions on what to eat - eating real food, namely plants, prevents diabetes, atherosclerosis, etc. When doctors do tell people to eat plants people usually don't listen.

I think Doctors need to be better trained, Americans need to completely rethink nutrition and health (I can't speak for other countries), government needs to help inform people, and laws about marketing food may need to be changed.

In addition further research could help, but in my opinion nutrition is a solved problem, eat real food and avoid meat and processed junk.

My opinion is based on how little my friends in the medical profession and/or training know about nutrition and the book How Not to Die which focuses on how diet affects deadly diseases.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by stonemetal on Monday May 02, 2016 @04:32PM (#11615327)
potatoes and corn are plants, both of which cause enough of an insulin spike to be worrisome. Just eat plants isn't a good enough answer.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by kefka on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @10:34AM (#11628621)
So are seeds and carrots. In reality, all root vegetables store a great deal of carbohydrates that us diabetics must watch out for.

I've been 'gotten' by carrots in a crock-pot beef. I miscounted and got waylaid by them.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by scythe on Monday May 02, 2016 @04:13PM (#11615140)
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by xlm1717 on Monday May 02, 2016 @12:13PM (#11612705)
Buying a blood glucose meter is not an expensive investment (provided you don't really need it, ie. don't have diabetes) and it will pay dividends in terms of health. With a meter and about 200 strips and lancets, you can determine a big list of foods that raise your blood glucose and foods that don't.

I've been customizing my meals based on what my glucose meter tells me raises my blood glucose the least and I am losing weight. The weight loss is gradual, but the most important thing is I am doing it eating foods I will eat, setting up a diet I can stick to long term, and I know that this will be good for me because the numbers back it up. Like you, I've always liked meats and testing myself with the glucose meter shows that eating more meats and less carbs is good for me personally. I should note I am not diagnosed with diabetes, I just bought the glucose meter to guide me in what I eat.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by alva on Monday May 02, 2016 @12:36PM (#11612954)
This is the first time I have heard glucose meters being used specifically for weight loss, very interesting. If this is a safe and effective way to encourage weight loss, this could be a huge business opportunity.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by xlm1717 on Monday May 02, 2016 @01:22PM (#11613444)
I had actually read about it last year. In the study, they used continuous glucose monitoring rather than glucose meter to track the blood sugar response to different foods precisely. They found that different people had different blood glucose response to different foods. The study only tracked participants for 1-2 weeks, but they do speculate on using personalized interventions devised from glucose measurements to treat and prevent such conditions as obesity and prediabetes. I decided to try it for myself.

Link: http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674%2815%2901481-6

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by alva on Monday May 02, 2016 @02:30PM (#11614103)
Great, thanks for the follow up and link. Personalised approaches to health/medicine is an exciting area.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by socratis on Monday May 02, 2016 @03:27PM (#11614691)
Continuous glucose monitoring (CGM) could be extremely effective for weight loss.

Dexcom has a CGM system that hooks up to your phone/watch, but is only available with prescription (and is extremely expensive without coverage), so this is effectively only available if you already have severe health problems.

Some former Dexcom employees founded a startup some time ago to do CGM for preventative healthcare, but I haven't heard anything of where it went. http://mobihealthnews.com/32601/dexcom-alums-develop-blood-s...

There are probably others.

To me these sorts of subcutaneous CGM systems seem more convenient for users than other initiatives (e.g, the contact lens projects). The sensor stays embedded for a week at a time, you can sleep with it in, and you get measurements every 5 minutes or so.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by lhl on Monday May 02, 2016 @04:03PM (#11615065)
Sadly, Glucovation's latest update on their site was from 2014. I did some research recently, and it looks like Nemaura has a device aimed at launching at the end of 2016. Echo Therapeutics and Sano appear to be actively building/testing devices, but there are no firm dates.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by rsync on Monday May 02, 2016 @04:19PM (#11615200)
"Dexcom has a CGM system that hooks up to your phone/watch, but is only available with prescription (and is extremely expensive without coverage)"

Can you elaborate ? What do you mean by extremely expensive ?

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by socratis on Monday May 02, 2016 @04:57PM (#11615547)
Prescription is required: http://www.dexcom.com/faq/do-i-need-prescription-obtain-dexc...

My "extremely expensive" was unfair. Some quick searching suggests ~$650 for the transmitter ~$100/week for sensors. "Not cheap" would be more accurate.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by PhasmaFelis on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @12:56AM (#11618017)
No, $5000+/year is definitely "extremely expensive," and out of reach for the majority of Americans. (Particularly as it seems very unlikely that there's any actual technical need for replacing the sensor weekly.)

Don't let the fact that lifesaving treatments are often even more unaffordable shift your frame of reference.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by pc86 on Monday May 02, 2016 @01:01PM (#11613215)
> If this is a safe and effective way to encourage weight loss

It is, presuming that your macros and micros are still in line. It's easy to eat the same meal for lunch and dinner every day and lose weight but be very unhealthy while doing so.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by toothbrush on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @09:31AM (#11620427)
Could you elaborate? What are macros and micros, and how can i measure them? Assume i'm hypothetically interested in trying the (C)GM method of diet modification.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by dTal on Thursday May 05, 2016 @09:49AM (#11636027)
I assume pc86 means macro and micro nutrients. The point being that regardless of what your blood glucose monitor tells you, you still need the right balance of protein, carbohydrates, vitamins, etc.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by taurath on Monday May 02, 2016 @09:31PM (#11617179)
Its the golden goose for wearables - the problem is there's no technology to continuously and reliably measure blood sugar without taking samples of blood (pricking).

If everyone had an apple watch, fitbit, etc that told you your blood sugar levels, with an immediate effect you could usher in a hugely effective treatment and prevention of diabetes and obesity. Assuming you can get people to wear it and you don't have to prick their fingers.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by zzleeper on Monday May 02, 2016 @03:14PM (#11614558)
Do you have a particular suggestion? prices seem to vary a lot in amazon and other sites..
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by pborowicz on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @09:38AM (#11620482)
In my area, Kroger, CVS, and Target all have a house brand meter that has very inexpensive strips and seems to be accurate. The meter is silver/white and the strips are black. While it seems identical at the different stores, I found out that the strips have different notches on the end, so a Kroger meter won't take CVS strips.

Either way, the meter is about $10 and 25 strips is around $7, 50 is $12, 100, is $20. Very afforadable.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by utternerd on Monday May 02, 2016 @01:58PM (#11613805)
I came here to say very similar to what you're saying. I'm down 50 pounds in a little over a year after being obese my entire life, with very minimal exercise (I walk to and from work, about 3 miles a day, but only walking) but weight-loss and slimming has accelerated greatly after cutting out carbs and sugars, which wasn't as painful as it seemed - replacing carb-rich noodles with Zucchini or Spaghetti Squash is amazing.

Lots of fats, proteins, and veggies, staying away from carbs and sugar, and I feel better than any other time in my entire life (at 34). I'm no longer eating simply to eat, and at this point I'm not craving the crap I used to. The sickness that now ensues after ingesting processed sugars or carbs, does make it easy to skip. While this story is anecdotal, it seemed worth a try because I kept stumbling on research supporting it.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by ck2 on Monday May 02, 2016 @04:54PM (#11615512)
you did it right - pound per week - it's a lifestyle change you'll be able to maintain

just shave 400-500 calories per day and sure enough, each week on average you'll lose a pound

hmm spaghetti squash, I'll have to try that

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by massysett on Monday May 02, 2016 @08:32PM (#11616958)
The whole point of the article is that this isn't true. The article says the body resets its metabolism so that it survives on less food, making weight loss more difficult.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by crikli on Monday May 02, 2016 @09:08PM (#11617098)
The body resets its metabolism to survive on less food IFF you're burning enormous amounts of kcals daily while on an extremely restricted diet, as these subjects were.

"His routine went like this: Wake up at 5 a.m. and run on a treadmill for 45 minutes. Have breakfast — typically one egg and two egg whites, half a grapefruit and a piece of sprouted grain toast. Run on the treadmill for another 45 minutes. Rest for 40 minutes; bike ride nine miles to a gym. Work out for two and a half hours. Shower, ride home, eat lunch — typically a grilled skinless chicken breast, a cup of broccoli and 10 spears of asparagus. Rest for an hour. Drive to the gym for another round of exercise."

This is crazy. Huge caloric burn, but no calories to coming in, so your body burns fat and muscle, but there's still a deficit, so the metabolic rate starts lowering.

I really hate TBL for so a many reasons. As this research is showing, it's a total sham that hurts the participants for life. And for the millions of people watching, it creates completely unrealistic expectations, eg "Kenny lost 180 pounds, I can't lose 50 in the same amount of time."

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by ck2 on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @03:11AM (#11618551)
The article says they were losing a pound per DAY.

Of course the body cannot maintain that metabolism.

I am talking a pound per WEEK.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by taneq on Monday May 02, 2016 @10:49PM (#11617486)
If you're not losing weight after cutting 500kcal/day from your diet then you were gaining at least a pound a week before you made the cut.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by itchyouch on Monday May 02, 2016 @02:33PM (#11614135)
I think the problem with most sugars is that most people don't understand that the bulk of it is stored as glycogen in the muscular system.

Sugars really only have several places to go once they are ingested: Held in the fiber of undigested food, blood stream, liver and muscles.

We do really well with vegetables even though they are carbs since veggies are mostly fiber and very low carb. The high glycemic foods are okay provided that muscle glycogen is going-to-be/has-been depleted in the form of physical exertion.

Building muscle would also increases ones capacity for storing said glucose, but it's not easy or popular since the rate of muscle growth at best is about 1-2lbs/month under ideal conditions of physical exertion, nutrition and rest.

However, exercise and low-glycemic diets do explain the efficacy of reveesing t2 diabetes.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by revelation on Monday May 02, 2016 @03:29PM (#11614708)
CHO storage in muscles and mostly kidney only amounts to about 2000kcal worth of energy. So there is a very high turnover and already over a week it's averaged out to the point where it doesn't really matter if what you eat is carbs or fat.

So for healthy, non-diabetic people it really doesn't matter.

(With the obligatory addendum that going all "low-carbs" or "keto" is a very, very bad idea if you expect to do any exercise at all)

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by sz4kerto on Monday May 02, 2016 @05:25PM (#11615798)
Why would keto be a bad idea? Genuine question. A friend of mine just run a 54k mountain track (2600m elevation) after 7 months keto. I have barely eaten carbs for 2 weeks now, and just cycled 120 km two days ago.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by revelation on Monday May 02, 2016 @06:27PM (#11616246)
The short summary is that aerobic exercise performance in humans is limited by the maximal rate of oxygen uptake or VO2max. Oxidation of fatty acids requires more oxygen per unit of "energy" produced than glycolysis; they are simply less bang for buck (or oxygen). Hence chronically depleted (particularly muscle) glycogen stores are a great recipe for bad exercise performances as you force the body into deriving more energy from fats.

Now, in reality, energy during exercise is always derived from a mix of both fatty acids and glycogen. In general, as exercise intensity increases (you are getting closer to VO2max), a larger ratio of energy will be derived from glycogen. So for your friend, running 54k of mountains is only going to be done at rather low intensity (50-60% of VO2max), where ~60% of energy will be from fatty acids, saving glycogen and preventing hypoglycemia.

Hypoglycemia, incidentally, is also known as "bonking". It's rather unpleasant. On long, high intensity exercise sessions you can't usually replace all the glycogen you deplete through food intake. So if you start with lower glycogen stores through a low carb diet, what you are doing is priming your body for hypoglycemia.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by xriddle on Monday May 02, 2016 @07:27PM (#11616628)
Do you have a scientific source for these claims? Dr. Peter Attia's personal research seems to claim otherwise.

http://eatingacademy.com/how-a-low-carb-diet-affected-my-ath...

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by atomical on Monday May 02, 2016 @08:52PM (#11617036)
Most Olympians are going to be on a high carb diet. What records has Attia set in sports?
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by Godel_unicode on Monday May 02, 2016 @11:38PM (#11617726)
Very scientific.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by atomical on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @11:08PM (#11633770)
Very crass.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by mixmastamyk on Monday May 02, 2016 @06:54PM (#11616402)
These kind of scary warnings apply to almost no one, basically olympic atheletes in ketosis, and can be treated with a glass of orange juice. For the other 99% of us, ultimate performance is not the goal, and keto is a great way to stabilze blood sugar.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by revelation on Monday May 02, 2016 @07:03PM (#11616460)
What scary warnings? This is basic exercise science. It applies regardless if your VO2max is 88 or 30, and indeed John Doe is more at risk of hypoglycemia as higher utilization of fatty acid oxidation at lower exercise intensity is one of the primary adaptations gained through training.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by criddell on Monday May 02, 2016 @12:36PM (#11612956)
> The answer is "Don't eat foods that raise your blood sugar above 140mg/dL".

Is that related to glycemic index?

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by MustardTiger on Monday May 02, 2016 @03:10PM (#11614526)
Sort of. The glycemic index is not really useful because it is based on arbitrary quantities of food. Glycemic load was created to be useful to people, as it is based on reasonable quantities people would eat. Like GI says watermelon is bad because its calories come from sugar. But it is based on eating 100g of carbs from watermelon. That's a huge amount of watermelon, which is mostly water. GL shows watermelon is fine, because you only eat 10g of carbs from it in a normal serving.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by rcthompson on Monday May 02, 2016 @03:32PM (#11614735)
So glycemic load is more or less glycemic index times carbohydrate density times the quantity of food you'd need to eat before feeling full?
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by criddell on Monday May 02, 2016 @03:18PM (#11614602)
Thanks. I never realized that glycemic index and load were different things.
Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by jerf on Monday May 02, 2016 @12:44PM (#11613026)
Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index:

"The GI represents the total rise in a person's blood sugar level following consumption of the food; it may or may not represent the rapidity of the rise in blood sugar. The steepness of the rise can be influenced by a number of other factors, such as the quantity of fat eaten with the food."

But only "related to". GI is complicated. The whole blood sugar thing is complicated. I don't just mean in principle, I mean in practice, too. Measuring your own body's own reactions to foods may be the most practical route to go; reading that page leads one to the conclusion that any concrete numbers for GI you ever see are at best weak approximations even under the best of circumstances.

Which is a pity, seeing as how it seems like it would be very useful.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by pitchka on Monday May 02, 2016 @12:37PM (#11612966)
I was diagnosed with T2 diabetes. Changed my diet to lots of veggies, fruits, beans and legumes. Symptoms disappeared.

At first I was heavy on meat when I removed the carbs but it didn't help at all.

Re:After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain ... by wnevets on Monday May 02, 2016 @11:02PM (#11617541)
if you eat too much meat it just gets converted to sugar anyway