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Re:The $2 Trillion Project to Get Saudi Arabia’s Economy Off... by bayesian_horse on Thursday April 21, 2016 @07:42AM (#11541250)
Saudi Arabia's problems are an indication that Islam is a bigger problem for Muslims themselves than it is for anyone else.

Innovation and technology just doesn't thrive in an illiberal society.

Re:The $2 Trillion Project to Get Saudi Arabia’s Economy Off... by alanwatts on Thursday April 21, 2016 @09:41AM (#11542012)
Back in the day, Islamic society actually made many great notable scientific discoveries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_the_medieval_Islami...

Re:The $2 Trillion Project to Get Saudi Arabia’s Economy Off... by desireco42 on Thursday April 21, 2016 @10:50AM (#11542548)
Yes, unfortunately those days are long gone.
Re:The $2 Trillion Project to Get Saudi Arabia’s Economy Off... by Retric on Thursday April 21, 2016 @12:37PM (#11543415)
Islam only dates back to 610 with one person. So, I am not sure how 'Islamic' the area was around 900-1000.

After all, Christianity to a long time to become central in Europe. In 300 they where only something like 10% of the Roman population. Not to mention looking very different from 'Modern' Christianity.

Re:The $2 Trillion Project to Get Saudi Arabia’s Economy Off... by geon on Thursday April 21, 2016 @10:06AM (#11542205)
That doesn't really have much to do with islam, though.
Re:The $2 Trillion Project to Get Saudi Arabia’s Economy Off... by bayesian_horse on Friday April 22, 2016 @11:43PM (#11554066)
No, it doesn't. It's the way those who think of themselves as Muslims think of what they call Islam. The issues of Islam holding Muslims back in terms of freedom, prosperity and progress just currently seem to be more problematic in that religion compared to others.

I believe these things can and will change. For one thing, many, if not most Muslims will cease to believe/practice as strongly as they do now, and for another, I do believe that devout Muslims are able to modernize their interpretations.

Re:The $2 Trillion Project to Get Saudi Arabia’s Economy Off... by u_me_him on Thursday April 21, 2016 @11:09AM (#11542713)
It does have everything to do with Islam. It teaches intolerance. Remember that Islam is not just the book, it is the people that practice it.
Re:The $2 Trillion Project to Get Saudi Arabia’s Economy Off... by dang on Thursday April 21, 2016 @12:49PM (#11543532)
This crosses into religious flamewar, which is not allowed here. We ban accounts that comment like this.
Re:The $2 Trillion Project to Get Saudi Arabia’s Economy Off... by u_me_him on Thursday April 21, 2016 @01:05PM (#11543659)
If it helps most other religions have been just as bad at one time or another, Christianity, Judaism, etc... I instead prefer to pray to the Flying Spaguetti Monster. I beg you Spaguetti Monster, protect me from the wrath of dang!
Re:The $2 Trillion Project to Get Saudi Arabia’s Economy Off... by aws_ls on Thursday April 21, 2016 @12:40PM (#11543447)
> ..Islam. It teaches intolerance

It could be said of the salafi sect of Islam that rules/controls Saudi Arab. But Islamic practices are as varied as any other religion. Unfortunately the percentage of conservative Muslims could be higher, than perhaps other religions (or practices), which managed to evolve. But I dare say, a lot of the stagnation is due to the geo politics of the region (or simply Oil economy and vested interests of US). Which wanted just strong allies, which could ensure stability and flow of Oil at cheap enough prices.

> Remember that Islam is not just the book, it is the people that practice it.

But even within Islamic cultures its so varied, if you look at people in Saudi Arabia, to those in Iran, to those in Turkey, to those in India/Pakistan, to those in Indonesia.

So lets look at history of Iran, which under the 1st Shah brought in lot of modernity. And was about to settle into a British like monarchy, when Mossadegh was democratically elected in 1952, and 2nd Shah was playing a retired monarch's role. Unfortunately Mossadegh was too ambitious and wanted to nationalize Iran's oil, and CIA and MI contrived to plan a coup and forced Shah 2nd to come back. Which later on resulted in 79 Islamic revolution.

So that single incident set Iran back by perhaps 50 years, in terms of reforms and modernity.

So some facts (like your terse and singular classification) may actually be not so, but be a lot layered and complex .

Re:The $2 Trillion Project to Get Saudi Arabia’s Economy Off... by u_me_him on Thursday April 21, 2016 @12:58PM (#11543604)
Thank you. Of course you are right. It is all very complex and western powers have a lot of fault of what is happening right now. Unfortunately those guys will never be punished and instead we, the populations of the world are left yo suffer the consequences. Even I knew going into Iraq and Libia would leave those countries worse off.
Re:The $2 Trillion Project to Get Saudi Arabia’s Economy Off... by bayesian_horse on Friday April 22, 2016 @11:50PM (#11554081)
Religion generally seems to bring forward intolerance. I wouldn't single out Muslims in that regard. The very idea of "my god is right/more powerful/more existing than yours" is, in a way, intolerant.

It also feels to me that Islamic society is lagging behind Christianity in a few regards, so some of what we may now perceive as bad or even evil traits may just vanish over time anyway.

Re:The $2 Trillion Project to Get Saudi Arabia’s Economy Off... by actionwords on Thursday April 21, 2016 @09:19AM (#11541854)
the majority of modern science was created in european illiberal societies.