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Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by matwood on Sunday April 10, 2016 @11:29AM (#11466554)
The fix for jet lag is to fly in business class or better.

EDIT Not sure why the down votes. Being able to properly sleep while on a plane is absolutely the best way to beat jet leg.

Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by johansch on Sunday April 10, 2016 @12:30PM (#11466859)
Yeah.

The problem with travel hacking (it's not really economically feasible to fly business between Europe and US for most of us) is that you get so used to it that every single transatlantic work trip becomes a big complicated optimization game. Flying economy simple stops being an option.

This time the other day I lucked out via what seemed to be a Star Alliance-wide mistake fare between Scandinavia and Seattle and a few more US cities ($700 for r/t business class!). That plus a cheap connecting flight to the Bay area fixed it for this time.

Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by zemvpferreira on Sunday April 10, 2016 @01:04PM (#11467052)
How do you find these fares and connections? Seems like a non-trivial amount of work to look at every possible route combination between two cities. I do Lisbon-SF twice a month and would gladly upgrade to business at 2x cost of economy.
Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by johansch on Sunday April 10, 2016 @01:36PM (#11467227)
Flyertalk, businessclass.{se,no,dk,co.uk}, insideflyer.de, onemileatatime.boardingarea.com etc etc.

Plus personal crawler projects and contacts with similar-minded people.

Warning: if you don't find this fun it's probably not worth the time. Expect to spend a lot of time chasing these deals.

It does seem to get harder over time, judging from my ~5 years in the game. Just a few years ago there were gaping holes in the system, allowing anyone to buy 100k miles from US Airways for $1200 and then spend them on quite on e.g. a 90k mile (or was it 110k?) First class roundtrips Europe/NA-Asia with e.g. ANA, Asiana iirc.

Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by zemvpferreira on Sunday April 10, 2016 @03:00PM (#11467610)
Thanks. It does sound easier to do as a hobby (with flexible routes and schedules) than as a business traveller.
Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by johansch on Sunday April 10, 2016 @03:55PM (#11467855)
By the way, for your situation - I am not very familiar with good routes out of Portugal/Spain - but Norwegian's normal paid premium fares out of Oslo/Stockholm/London to Oakland have been a decent fallback for me for when I can't find a decent "hacked trip". It may work for you via a connection to/from e.g. London.

Pro:

- Decent almost business class for $1400 USD roundtrip

- You can buy single trips for 50% of the roundtrip cost

Con:

- Their irregular ops handling is disastrous. They use a small fleet of 787s for transatlantic flights, with zero spare capacity, so when a plane breaks somehow you basically have to wait for them to repair it. For that reason I avoid them on trips into the US (for planned meetings there) but sometimes use them on the way back.

Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by zemvpferreira on Sunday April 10, 2016 @04:34PM (#11468032)
Thanks! My regular route is Lisbon -> Amsterdam -> San Francisco with KLM. It's 5 am flight with a 50 minute connection in AMS, but Schiphol is a wonderful airport, the dutch very helpful, and I quite like the old airplanes they use on this route. I can usually find a ticket for $700, too.
Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by nommm-nommm on Sunday April 10, 2016 @01:18PM (#11467133)
Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by jzwinck on Sunday April 10, 2016 @12:33PM (#11466881)
This sounds like "Just pay three thousand dollars per flight and problem solved!"

Plus, business class only helps you avoid jet lag on certain itineraries. Sometimes due to timing, sometimes due to crappy business class on some shorter flights or less luxurious airlines.

Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by manigandham on Sunday April 10, 2016 @12:37PM (#11466902)
> This sounds like "Just pay three thousand dollars per flight and problem solved!"

That's because it is. The fact that there's a solution that costs money doesn't make it any less of a solution.

Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by nommm-nommm on Sunday April 10, 2016 @01:04PM (#11467057)
A solution that 99% of us can't utilize, unfortunately.

It's like if someone suggested how to improve public transportation and you answered "I found the best improvement - just take a cab everywhere."

Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by stcredzero on Sunday April 10, 2016 @01:57PM (#11467354)
It's like if someone suggested how to improve public transportation and you answered "I found the best improvement - just take a cab everywhere."

Re: local transportation: What if it ends up being an improvement of the transportation market, to the point all middle class people can afford to pay for a ride in a car when you really need it? Virgin Atlantic started off with Richard Branson chartering planes across the Atlantic.

How could one disrupt transatlantic travel in a different way?

Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by manigandham on Sunday April 10, 2016 @01:25PM (#11467167)
> It's like if someone suggested how to improve public transportation and you answered "I found the best improvement - just take a cab everywhere."

I think you mean the experience of public transportation, in which case, air travel is public transportation and buying 1st class tickets does improve it. Cabs are private transport and wouldn't be a solution to that specific problem.

Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by vigilant on Sunday April 10, 2016 @02:43PM (#11467531)
But this is hackernews - the demographic is highly paid silicon valley workers. If you're making 250k-500k a year, then a few thousand dollars whenever you do a transcontinental flight is a reasonable luxury. It is just a few weeks rent, after all.
Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by robotresearcher on Sunday April 10, 2016 @09:54PM (#11469178)
There are lots of people here who don't meet that description. Please don't make us feel unwelcome. There is plenty of room for a sub thread for solutions for people without business class budgets. Don't read it if you don't need it.
Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by ant6n on Sunday April 10, 2016 @06:51PM (#11468573)
Yeah I don't think many people who read HN make that sort of money.
Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by Nullabillity on Sunday April 10, 2016 @12:54PM (#11467001)
A solution doesn't really help if it's not an option in the first place.
Re:Airbus thinks it has found a way to alleviate jet lag by paulpauper on Sunday April 10, 2016 @02:45PM (#11467536)
or $30,000 for private plane