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Re:My Biggest Regret as a Programmer by JimboOmega on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @02:03PM (#11440506)
Incidentally, isn't $80k around the point where happiness from income levels off?

The advantage of big money isn't just charities and companies - it's having your time back, since you're not tied to getting an income from it.

Re:My Biggest Regret as a Programmer by tcfunk on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @02:17PM (#11440616)
I feel like $80k must be an outdated number. My wife and I pull in just under $100k together, and we can't even (comfortably) afford a home.

Between rent, student loan payments, health insurance, bills, and car loans, and food, I think we maybe have $500 left to throw around each month. If we were paying against a mortgage, that would basically be zero.

Re:My Biggest Regret as a Programmer by citizens on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @02:39PM (#11440774)
It's definitely outdated, or at least location dependent. The average rent in Manhattan in 2/16 was $3,850. Landlords won't rent to you unless you earn 40x the monthly rent which is $154k. In Brooklyn, the average is $2,716 which ends up being $108,640. (http://www.mns.com/brooklyn_rental_market_report)
Re:My Biggest Regret as a Programmer by cookiecaper on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @02:56PM (#11440922)
Most people don't live in Manhattan or Brooklyn. If you live in a high COL area, adjust accordingly. I suggested using an approximate 2.3x multiplier elsewhere.

The most financially effective way to be a programmer is to work remotely for someone who pays SF or NYC salaries and live in a moderate COL area.

I've always seen the rental income requirement you stated phrased as "monthly income must be at least 3x monthly rent", in case the 40x thing threw anyone else off (40/12=3.33).

Re:My Biggest Regret as a Programmer by rlonstein on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:15PM (#11441081)
> Landlords won't rent to you unless you earn 40x the monthly rent

I've recently seen 45x monthly in Manhattan and LIC (Queens).

Re:My Biggest Regret as a Programmer by wallflower on Thursday April 07, 2016 @11:16PM (#11452365)
The loophole is a sublet where the person subletting (this is probably illegally) assumes the financial and personal risk.
Re:My Biggest Regret as a Programmer by cookiecaper on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @02:32PM (#11440718)
Mortgages are usually cheaper than rents on comparable units. The issue is that they require a big upfront chunk of cash to get into.

And, as a sibling comment stated, it depends on location. I think $80k is right for most areas of the country. If you live in NYC, SF, LA, or another place with really high cost of living, adjust accordingly (which is probably like 2.3x).

Re:My Biggest Regret as a Programmer by bloaf on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:21PM (#11441136)
There are whole communities of people dedicated to answering this question [1] and most of them seem to think that they'd be content with $40k/year in passive income.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/

Re:My Biggest Regret as a Programmer by flubert on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @06:56PM (#11442975)
>My wife and I pull in just under $100k together, and we can't even (comfortably) afford a home.

You may not be able to afford a house in the area you want, but you can certainly afford a home. Here's one with a mortgage for $89/mo.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/207-1st-Ave-W-Gackle-ND-58...

Re:My Biggest Regret as a Programmer by nkurz on Thursday April 07, 2016 @02:30AM (#11445165)
Did you choose this example randomly, or in homage to our HN moderator?
Re:My Biggest Regret as a Programmer by clock_tower on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @02:28PM (#11440689)
Location is everything. You can live like a prince in Tennessee or Kentucky on $80k/yr -- not so much in the really prosperous parts of the country.
Re:My Biggest Regret as a Programmer by driverdan on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @11:13PM (#11444432)
Where do you live? If you are coming so close to what you make why do you have car loans?

Two people can easily live on $40-50k in most areas. Eliminate all the unnecessary expenses like $150+/m in phone payments, $50+/m for cable, etc.

Re:My Biggest Regret as a Programmer by rifung on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:40PM (#11441300)
I assume you're referring to: http://www.pnas.org/content/107/38/16489.abstract

for the $80k number.

In case you haven't seen it, there's another paper that argues the opposite: more money does make you happier (but only if you know how to use it). http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/danielgilbert/files/if-mone...

I make more than $80k and I can certainly say that I was less stressed before I took a huge pay cut. On the other hand, I like my job more so I guess I might actually still be happier. All else being equal though, if I made more I imagine I would be much less stressed..