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Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @10:12AM (#11430495)
Besides which, that water isn't lost; in the Netherlands, it either sinks into the soil to eventually become ground water again (after which it's reused), or it ends up in the sea via canals and rivers. It's not like we have a water shortage in NL, not yet anyway. Besides ground water, there are several rivers passing through NL coming from the Alps, sometimes to the point of overflowing.

Really, the only thing wasteful would be the energy needed to pump up and distribute the water. But we get some of the most efficient farmland in return, without harming anyone (unlike e.g. the US that caused the dustbowl thanks to overly aggressive farming)

edit: also that's only when irrigation is actually needed, we get our fair share of rain.

Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by basseq on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @10:33AM (#11430657)
Scientifically-speaking, is any water "lost"? Thinking back to those pictures of plains and mountains with a big circular arrow in my seventh grade science textbook: couldn't you say that even the water used by crops, turned into coke, and consumed by humans is eventually returned the ecosystem in some form or another?
Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by ninkendo on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @10:49AM (#11430785)
It's "lost" if it's taken from where it's needed (the water table near farm land, for instance) to where it isn't (the ocean).

In plenty of areas where water is needed, the time it would take for the big circular arrow "water cycle" to replenish it is so long, it should be considered a finite resource.

Ars Technica had a great article about this a few years back, likening "peak water" to "peak oil": http://arstechnica.com/science/2010/05/not-just-oil-us-hit-p...

Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by wavefunction on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @11:04AM (#11430884)
Water vapor is lost to the vacuum of space, though it's obviously not enough to make a perceptible difference, at least on a human scale.
Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @11:06AM (#11430904)
...and replenished from space through slushball comets!
Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by snuxoll on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @11:36AM (#11431206)
(Almost?) All water on Earth came from a comet, pretty amazing when you think about it.
Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by codeisawesome on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @03:13PM (#11433425)
Extremely. I just can't reconcile the fact that all this water came from multiple comet impacts. It somehow feels wrong.
Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @03:52PM (#11433772)
...and if even one of the trillion comets over a billion years had some spore or cell frozen inside...
Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by erikpukinskis on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @01:39PM (#11432541)
The reason U.S. farmers created the dustbowl was, in part, because they were immigrants from the European temperate forest biome and had no idea how to farm properly in the grasslands of the American west.

The Dutch are not master farmers, you are just in a fairly moist climate and the culture has been relatively uninterrupted due to political strength that you obtained through the plunder of the developing world. I don't think your water security is anything to be proud of. How is water security in the former Dutch colonies these days?

Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by bjelkeman-again on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:17AM (#11437180)
Water isn't lost, but water is polluted. And when you put water into the groundwater then it mixes with heavily polluted water from, among other things, agriculture. The Dutch farms may be efficient, but they are definitely polluting.

"In the Netherlands water pollution originating from agriculture is an important environmental concern. While recent trends indicate that the pressure from farming on water quality is diminishing, absolute levels of pollution remain amongst the highest across the OECD (Figures 2-5). Agriculture is the major source of nutrients, pesticides and the only known source of heavy metals in water. Pollution from endocrine disrupters and veterinary medicines in terms of potential impacts on human and wildlife reproductive systems is also a concern. The total external costs of agricultural water pollution are unknown, but in the late 1990s the annual external costs of eutrophication associated with nitrate emissions was estimated at €600 million (US$540 million), and for treating drinking water polluted with nitrates at an annual cost of €23 million (US$21 million)."

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07900627.2010.53...

Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by smt88 on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @10:22AM (#11430561)
> ends up in the sea via canals and rivers

That water is "lost" by any practical definition. For humans to use it again, it would have to be desalinated, which is expensive.

Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by Gargoyle on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @10:42AM (#11430734)
It's desalinated by becoming rain again.
Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by Cerium on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @10:56AM (#11430835)
We are discovering in California that that rain does not always fall back where the water was taken.
Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by TallGuyShort on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @12:57PM (#11432097)
California's discovering that pretty late compared to much of the rest of the world.
Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by imtringued on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @03:07PM (#11433379)
Southern india is also taking their time. There is no such thing as a too deep well.
Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by egeozcan on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @10:53AM (#11430810)
I don't think the amount of rain increases by pumping more fresh water to the oceans.
Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by nbb on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @12:38PM (#11431890)
So what?
Re:Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and pub... by praptak on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @03:29PM (#11433589)
One way in which water can and does get 'lost' is river depletion. Colorado river doesn't reach the sea anymore, human demand is greater than its flow. Here's an interesting article about it: http://www.outsideonline.com/1928261/day-we-set-colorado-riv...