Re:A Basic Income Is Smarter Than a Minimum Wage
by thesimon on Monday April 04, 2016 @03:45PM
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>It would completely remove the necessity to be productive. That can't turn out well.
As seen in welfare states in Scandinavia or Germany, where almost no one works because of the unemployment benefits.
Re:A Basic Income Is Smarter Than a Minimum Wage
by snerbles on Monday April 04, 2016 @03:56PM
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Of course not, but the stability of such a state is becoming a concern with the current migration situation.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/02/wel...
Re:A Basic Income Is Smarter Than a Minimum Wage
by alttab on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @10:27AM
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And it's ignoring culture.
Re:A Basic Income Is Smarter Than a Minimum Wage
by usefulcat on Monday April 04, 2016 @03:58PM
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Wait, are you really suggesting that people decide how many children to have based on whether they believe those children will have to work when they become adults?
Re:A Basic Income Is Smarter Than a Minimum Wage
by emidln on Monday April 04, 2016 @03:46PM
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There's no necessity to be productive now. Most (all?) of the minimum wage jobs in the United States aren't productive to society except so far as that they have some minimal amount of money to make violent property crime slightly less attractive.
Re:A Basic Income Is Smarter Than a Minimum Wage
by jack9 on Monday April 04, 2016 @03:46PM
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> It would completely remove the necessity to be productive. That can't turn out well.
Take a look at mobile games. People do lots of things just to be 1 rung higher on an artificial competitive ladder (reset every month) about endlessly punching a "Battle" button. I think this idea that necessity has ever driven productivity (look around at your job) is a long running joke.
Re:A Basic Income Is Smarter Than a Minimum Wage
by tangent128 on Monday April 04, 2016 @03:38PM
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Why would you <em>want</em> to have as many babies as you can?
Re:A Basic Income Is Smarter Than a Minimum Wage
by alttab on Monday April 04, 2016 @03:40PM
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What if having a big family brings me joy? If welfare and basic income provide the support I need to have a huge family without being productive, why would I choose to live a life that is inconsistent with my life's motivations? Why work for a living when I can do what I want, and be just as comfortable? I don't need a Tesla, so I'll leave the working for the chumps.
Re:A Basic Income Is Smarter Than a Minimum Wage
by tangent128 on Monday April 04, 2016 @04:32PM
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Congratulations, you get to be productive by raising society's next generation.
Sincerely. Many people don't desire large families, if any, or are physically incapable of reproduction. So why pressure them to when others are perfectly willing to pick up the slack?
What's preventing me from having as many babies as I can knowing that they too will not have to work or find a job to be supported?
I know this won't work at scale, because I understand math.