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Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by saberworks on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:29PM (#11376220)
Is anyone else creeped out that this desktop application phones home every time you start it? Is this just the new normal now?
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by smarx007 on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:32PM (#11376245)
It checks for updates automatically, so I think that gives them the stats, same should be valid for Sublime.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by tlrobinson on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:36PM (#11376268)
Atom actually uses Google Analytics too: http://i.imgur.com/bXwEDes.png
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by taylorfausak on Monday March 28, 2016 @03:09PM (#11376554)
You can disable the analytics from within Atom by disabling this package: https://atom.io/packages/metrics
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by bgammon on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:30PM (#11376225)
I have no idea what the system is, but it could be something as innocuous as automatic updates. In reality, they probably do send some form of diagnostic information, but since the application is open source, it seems unlikely there would be no way to disable that if it exists.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by joefitzgerald on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:34PM (#11376254)
https://github.com/atom/metrics#collected-data

Metrics collection can be disabled by the user, and this option is also presented to the user on first load of Atom.

Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by Atom4966 on Monday March 28, 2016 @03:49PM (#11376820)
I find it really creepy too. I think it's now become a part of the culture of both the Atom and VS Code communities. If you bring it up everyine rushes to tell you about how to disable the metrics package while ignoring the other packages that sends data to bugsnag. In the case of VS Code there are instructions to disable it by editing the code which means that when you update, it'll be reverted. At the same time, automatic updates are enabled by default, so it effectively can't be disabled. There are also several popular plugins for both editors that come with analytics on by default with minimal to no mention of this in their descriptions.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by jsprogrammer on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:33PM (#11376251)
If that creeps you out, you should probably run a completely closed firewall, where you specifically enable applications' access to the network. I don't know if it is new normal, or old normal, or even normal, but many applications have been doing it for a long time now.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by Touche on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:36PM (#11376269)
In this case they are using Google Analytics, which I consider to be malware, so for me I couldn't use the editor.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by adrianpike on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:53PM (#11376418)
Serious question, what makes you consider GA malware?
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by Touche on Monday March 28, 2016 @03:06PM (#11376526)
It's software to silently track your activity across the web without your knowledge or approval.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by victorhooi on Monday March 28, 2016 @03:58PM (#11376897)
The knowledge/approval part isn't Google Analytics - that's usually built in to whatever uses it.

In the case of Atom, they state quite plainly on first-load that they track usage for the purposes of telemetry/product improvement, and you can opt-out on first-open.

I'm not really sure I see the issue?

Also, usually with Google Analytics you're viewing a remote website (or in this case I suppose you're phoning home for updates on every startup). If they really wanted to, they could just check their webserver logs. It just saves them having to parse it or graph it.

Is there some particular new information you're concerned or worried about leaking, that they don't already have?

Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by Touche on Monday March 28, 2016 @04:17PM (#11377035)
> The knowledge/approval part isn't Google Analytics - that's usually built in to whatever uses it.

That's right, GA is the malware and websites / apps that use it are distributing malware. Sort of like SourceForge distributing malware with its installers.

> I'm not really sure I see the issue?

Do you have an issue IRL if someone follows you around, taking notes of every where you go? I do.

Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by victorhooi on Thursday March 31, 2016 @10:29PM (#11402145)
Your first paragraph makes no sense - you haven't established how Google Analytics is malware.

I'm sorry, but that's like saying "Trees are weapons of mass destruction", then providing no evidence for that statement.

If you can at least provide some salient evidence to substantiate what otherwise seems to make no sense, we can try to understand your point. As it stands, I'm sorry, but you just come off as a bit tin-foil...

With regards to your second point - let's say I have a supermarket rewards card - every time I make a purchase, they track it. Do I have an issue with it? Nope, not really - I'm buying the damn products from them, why should I care if they know what I'm buying from them. I'm sure if they really wanted, they could compare the credit card receipts against store takings - this just simplifies the process for them.

Or say I drive a car, and I go through a toll-gate - do I care that the toll-gate company knows my daily trips, or when I like to travel?

(Maybe they'll send an email going, we notice you like driving during peak hours, have you considered driving at these times.)

Nope - I'm already paying to go through their toll-gate, if I didn't want them to know I drove through their toll-gate, I just wouldn't take that toll road.

Likewise with Google Analytics - it's used by a website, to track visitors to its own website - if you don't want them seeing you visit their website, don't visit it.

As I said earlier, your IP address is already sent every time you hit the web-server - this just helps them parse and graph that data into pretty charts.

Would you complain if you found out a website had Apache access logs of your visit? Would you jump up and down, yelling it was an invasion of your privacy?

If you don't want a website knowing you visited their website - don't visit them. I'm sorry if it seems harsh - but of all the reasons to hate on an open-source project like Atom, this seems like an incredibly petty and baseless one.

Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by jsprogrammer on Monday March 28, 2016 @05:24PM (#11377527)
You must leave some trail to use the Internet. You get to draw your own line though. If you don't like GA, just override the domain resolve and block your machine from ever communicating with their known IP addresses.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by mchahn on Monday March 28, 2016 @11:53PM (#11379371)
> without your knowledge

Then how did you know about it? (sorry, I had to). Seriously though, everyone knows most web pages use GA.

Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by Igglyboo on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:36PM (#11376270)
Not really, automatically checking for updates on startup is very commonplace with desktop applications.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by sigzero on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:34PM (#11376256)
You can turn it off.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by tdicola on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:39PM (#11376295)
It was the new normal like 15 years ago. Almost every major application phones home to deliver bug reports, telemetry, check for updates, etc. Read the terms and conditions of apps when you install them next time.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by michaelmrose on Monday March 28, 2016 @04:28PM (#11377119)
Funny none of my stuff on Linux does.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by tlrobinson on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:35PM (#11376263)
Pretty much. Almost everyone does it, if only for software updates. I block the obvious ones like Google Analytics using Little Snitch.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by tacone on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:48PM (#11376370)
Yes it is. Visual Studio for Linux also does the same thing and, unlike Atom, there's no opt-out.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by pritambaral on Monday March 28, 2016 @03:04PM (#11376510)
You mean Visual Studio Code, which is nothing like Visual Studio, except in name and their creator.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by tacone on Monday March 28, 2016 @03:28PM (#11376676)
Yes, that one.
Re:Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users by bithush on Monday March 28, 2016 @02:38PM (#11376288)
So does Sublime Text if you have auto-updates enabled.