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Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by kevinburke on Thursday March 24, 2016 @01:29AM (#11350773)
Curtis Yarvin is a professed fascist who has written about his belief that some races are more suited to slavery than others.

That _does_ matter; it makes large swaths of the potential talk audience (and other attendees) feel unwelcome. How can you engage in polite, respectful discussion with someone who believes that you're more suited to be a slave than a free man?

Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by dragonwriter on Thursday March 24, 2016 @04:11AM (#11351288)
Yarvin's political tracts seem to specifically reject fascism, Communism, and modern liberal democracy; you may not like his politics, and may find them analogous to fascism in key and dangerous ways, but it seems factually inaccurate to call.him a "professed fascist".
Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by jmspring on Thursday March 24, 2016 @02:30AM (#11350978)
It's a technical conference, submission accepted on said merits.

If personal politics and beliefs are not apart of the talk, I don't care.

Polarizing of personal beliefs, unless specific personal actions are documented, is comparable to a witch hunt.

At least for me.

My own beliefs waver on the spectrum of Silicon Valley, yet I have concerns for outside options I have.

But, no, at a technical conference, if personal idealogy isn't part of the talk, that is your own issue and you need to deal with it.

With tensions in the world PCism needs to stop and individual accountability is more inportant, at least to me.

Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by kevinburke on Thursday March 24, 2016 @11:38AM (#11353654)
> If personal politics and beliefs are not apart of the talk, I don't care.

You can't separate the two. Spouses invited to a speakers dinner? What if my spouse is also a man? What if my spouse is a different race? Should we give priority to people of color and women in the speaker selection process? Are trans people allowed in whichever bathrooms they want? Giving a talk on preventing fraud and abuse, where part of your belief system is "women should be free to give opinions online without bullying, trolling and harassment?" How are you supposed to give that talk without communicating a value system?

Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by xmj on Thursday March 24, 2016 @02:21AM (#11350942)
> Curtis Yarvin is a professed fascist who has written about his belief that some races are more suited to slavery than others.

Having read a good deal of his unqualified reservations, I wonder if you can source this quote for me please?

Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by Throwadev on Friday March 25, 2016 @03:14PM (#11362048)
Here is a direct quote from Moldbug's blog:

    >> "Not all humans are born the same, of course, and the innate character and intelligence of some is more suited to mastery than slavery. For others, it is more suited to slavery. And others still are badly suited to either. These characteristics can be expected to group differently in human populations of different origins. Thus, Spaniards and Englishmen in the Americas in the 17th and earlier centuries, whose sense of political correctness was negligible, found that Africans tended to make good slaves and Indians did not. This broad pattern of observation is most parsimoniously explained by genetic differences."
Just want to point out that I don't share Moldbug's beliefs whatsoever.
Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by kevinburke on Thursday March 24, 2016 @11:34AM (#11353619)
Search Google, Twitter, or send me an email. I'm not going to link to hate speech here.
Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by Jweb_Guru on Thursday March 24, 2016 @12:33PM (#11354213)
This entire thread is a pretty depressing indictment of the sorts of people who hang out on HN. Seriously, nobody should care about offending Curtis Yarvin or any of his ilk.
Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by 13thLetter on Thursday March 24, 2016 @07:11PM (#11357264)
Yarvin and his "ilk" aren't the ones complaining about being offended here.
Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by Jweb_Guru on Friday March 25, 2016 @03:02AM (#11358830)
The argument of the original post is that we shouldn't exclude Yarvin because it might make avowed racists feel unwelcome at FP conferences. To which I say: who cares? I don't want Yarvin at FP conferences, and I suspect none of the attendees particularly do either.
Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by 13thLetter on Friday March 25, 2016 @01:39PM (#11361434)
> I don't want Yarvin at FP conferences, and I suspect none of the attendees particularly do either.

I'd imagine there's a solid overlap between Hacker News posters and people who might attend a functional programming conference, and judging by this comments section your position is in a distinct minority. So if it's OK to ostracize people based on their unpopular political opinions, you may find yourself in the hot seat you've been preparing for Yarvin.

How about this: perhaps we should instead strive for a system of pluralism and tolerance where we don't bring our political disputes into the professional sphere.

Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by solidsnack9000 on Friday March 25, 2016 @02:03AM (#11358694)
Those who assert must prove.
Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by kevinburke on Saturday March 26, 2016 @01:29PM (#11366521)
I didn't say I didn't have the evidence. You haven't sent me an email.
Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by saryant on Saturday March 26, 2016 @01:50PM (#11366616)
Then post it. This bullshit game of I-have-proof-by-na-na-na-I-won't-show-you is a waste of everyone's time.
Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by kevinburke on Thursday March 24, 2016 @09:12PM (#11357845)
No one has sent me an email.
Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by 13thLetter on Thursday March 24, 2016 @02:29PM (#11355146)
So... no, then?
Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by tragic on Thursday March 24, 2016 @09:19AM (#11352465)
> How can you engage in polite, respectful discussion with someone who believes that you're more suited to be a slave than a free man?

Well, if the discussion is about technical matters, that's easy. (As long as CY is willing on his own part to talk politely and respectfully to people he considers his racial inferior, of course, which is not a given.)

Even on the actual matter of contention: yes, that's harder (albeit utterly irrelevant to Lambdaconf). But why should even that be impossible? CY's 'contribution' to politics seems to consist entirely of taking the vulgar prejudices of certain degenerate corners of the internet and giving them a superficially erudite and sesquipedalian form, without actually strengthening the intellectual content. His arguments are laughable. I'd probably pay good money to see someone politely, respectfully leave the whole edifice in smoking ruins.

Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by seivan on Thursday March 24, 2016 @03:18AM (#11351133)
I'm always wary when people call someone racist/fascist. I'd like to see some definitive proof otherwise you're just labeling him without providing anything to backup your claims. Isn't that essentially just hearsay and libel?

Just to clear any ambiguity, I don't accept the modern definition where you can call someone racist because you don't like their writings in sensitive topic. I'd like to see some hard evidence where said person has actively discriminated against someone with different racial background.

Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by xmj on Thursday March 24, 2016 @03:28AM (#11351156)
The emotional child's guide to political discussion comes to mind:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/2b/78/f2/2b78f2e25...

Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by jesstaa on Saturday March 26, 2016 @04:19AM (#11364879)
Racism is by definition a belief. Someone is racist if they believe in such a belief. Actions are actually irrelevant to this definition.

Similarly a fascist is someone that believes in the fascism ideology. That's just how these words work.

Re:Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf by seivan on Saturday March 26, 2016 @08:35AM (#11365420)
People have expanded the definitions to mean all sorts of bullshit to fit their agenda. You're expecting us to take your definitions at face value, that's laughable.