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Re:We only hire the trendiest by jamesdutc on Monday March 21, 2016 @09:01AM (#11327730)
"Consulting" or "contracting" can refer to different kinds of work arrangements. One of these is what's called "staff augmentation."

Large companies with huge teams of full-time employed software programmers will often hire contractors to fill gaps. These contractors are typically contractors-in-name-only: they work under exactly the same conditions as full-time employees but with a worse tax situation, without access to benefits, and without eligibility to receive equity or cash bonuses. They are often contracted through intermediaries who take a large cut. These contractors can be fired more easily than their full-time employed colleagues, and they may often work on time-limited contracts that cannot be renewed. (They often do not count against a manager's allotted "head count.")

These contractors are typically in this position, because cannot get hired as full-time employees. They often jump between contracting jobs until someone gives them a chance or until they manage to get a client to "convert" them to full-time.

Staffing firms are in on this. If a recruiter sends you to interview for a contract role at some large company, it means they don't think you could get a job as a full-time employee. Hiring managers also know this. If they see you've only ever worked as a contractor, then they will assume you don't have what it takes to get a job as a full-time employee.

(This is not right, and this is not fair.)

Re:We only hire the trendiest by hibikir on Monday March 21, 2016 @10:04AM (#11328092)
In Missouri, you want the contractor.

I've worked for Fortune 500 companies around here. The senior full time employees have been working at the same place forever, so their skills are often outdated. They get paid a lot less, but they are often fine with that, because the place gives them the one thing they want: status. Changing jobs means you might not get that status. In comparison, the top contractors get far better pay, have worked in more than one or two places in their career, and are the guys you want to hire.

It's probably different in the bay, where big tech companies have little trouble paying 200K+ compensation packages, but around here, just contractors do.

Why do the contractors get paid more? Because they can get paid without talking to HR, or meeting any pay bands. Last year, I worked with other three contractors, whose names anyone in the Scala community would recognize. 200-300K a year range. The best full timer they had (which just quit, after being told how silly he had been by being full time), made 110K.

Being well known means that switching to work for TrendyCo isn't difficult though.

Re:We only hire the trendiest by google_tvc on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @04:28AM (#11335103)
You absolutely nailed it on the head. I am one of these "staff augmentation" devs and it has been bothering me for awhile now. I would love to try my hand at one of these "trendy" startups as a full-time employee but I am pretty much the opposite of what they seem to be looking for:

  - non-technical degree from a local state school
  - 35+ years old
  - only have a couple of years of professional software development experience and most of it as a contractor/consultant
  - not white
  - most of my work is back end bug-fixing, maintenance, being in an on-call rotation, and occasionally integrating some system to some enterprise database
  - buzzwords in my resume (Java, Borg, RPC, Hibernate, SQL, XML, Eclipse IDE, DAO, DTO, etc) probably scares off the young devs because apparently anything remotely related to J2EE or enterprise is evil
  - my real employer is one of those Indian staffing firms
I tried one of those "dev auction" sites (Hired.com) one time. The "talent advocate" assigned to me got really excited upon hearing I am currently a contractor at the BigCo. in Mountain View, CA. She immediately put me up on auction and I guess her enthusiasm got to me since I got excited as well when I started seeing all these cool San Francisco startups viewing my profile.

Then both of us were disappointed when none of the startups were interested. The auction period came and went. I had zero offers to chat on the phone despite dozens of views. She was nice enough to give me another auction round and I went for it. Only a half dozen new views on my profile that time but at least I got one phone interview out of it. The talent advocate was a bit confused by the whole thing and couldn't understand why most of the startups didn't even want to speak to me. She did offer to personally reach out to some of the startups on my behalf but I knew what happened so I politely bowed out of the auction.

So I guess I have this stigma now and I know it's only going to get tougher the older I get. I want to fix this and hopefully move to a full-time product development role before it is too late. Should I quit my job and go back to school? Join a coding bootcamp or "hacker community"? Continue working as a contractor and keep applying to startups on the side?

Re:We only hire the trendiest by billions on Monday March 21, 2016 @12:10PM (#11329062)
There are two types of contractors and they lie on either side of the skill bell curve. What you describe are the lower end contractors. Top end contractors refuse to take full time. They run their taxes through S-Corps, come in to fix the most challenging problems, and big-co's get in bidding wars over their next contract.
Re:We only hire the trendiest by wdmeldon on Monday March 21, 2016 @02:31PM (#11330514)
I think in general, you are correct about the skill difference between contractors. But there is more to it than just that. Low end contractors don't choose that path, they end up their because they either, like you said, are low skill, or because they made career mistakes and need to get back on track. I would definitely fall into the latter group.
Re:We only hire the trendiest by ciaranm on Monday March 21, 2016 @09:09AM (#11327787)
Can I ask what location this is? It's vastly different to my experience of the contracting environment in the UK.
Re:We only hire the trendiest by phpnode on Monday March 21, 2016 @09:20AM (#11327848)
Agree that this is the exact opposite of my experience as a contractor in the UK. I work as a contractor because the money is much better and because I have access to a wide variety of interesting projects. In the UK the contractors have the power - the companies I work for would hire me full time if they could.
Re:We only hire the trendiest by ciaranm on Monday March 21, 2016 @09:36AM (#11327927)
Similar situation here. The company I'm currently contracting for mentioned they struggle to find experienced Scala devs who will interview for permanent roles.
Re:We only hire the trendiest by bryanrasmussen on Monday March 21, 2016 @09:34AM (#11327914)
I think this is an U.S thing where this kind of division has sprung up - so you have contractor ("temp", "paid less") full-time employee consultant ("paid more")
Re:We only hire the trendiest by stirno on Monday March 21, 2016 @10:00AM (#11328076)
There is a pretty important distinction here -- We have seen in the US consulting market (at large corporations) an influx of 90s style contractor arrangements for staff augmentation. This is basically the counter to failed outsourcing efforts. These contractors almost entirely work for large groups like Robert Half, Tata, Infosys, Tek Systems and others.

We also still have a very very strong consultant labor force making 2-3x what W2 full-time employees can pull in. These consultants generally work through smaller consulting firms that take smaller cuts for the placement/handling billing and invoicing.

Re:We only hire the trendiest by mcdowall on Monday March 21, 2016 @12:50PM (#11329427)
I'd classify it into three groups for the UK...

Perm - Mid level benefits + Pay (maybe options in a startup)

Contractor - Individual with their own Ltd company, pays less tax and much higher take home pay but without any benefits.

Consultant - On-site via a supplier on a framework of some kind, however, often a permanent employee of the supplier with the supplier cashing in the margin.

At least 50% of the tech workforce in companies I work with or where peers are at in London are made up of contractors, especially in Banking.

Re:We only hire the trendiest by binarycheese on Monday March 21, 2016 @09:57AM (#11328057)
Contractors get paid way more in the US especially on the East Coast because they usually have to take care of their own benefits and taxes
Re:We only hire the trendiest by mcdowall on Monday March 21, 2016 @12:44PM (#11329380)
Totally agree with you here. The contracting market in the UK (particularly London) is much more lucrative than relative permanent roles, even when their benefits are taken into account. It's actually more lucrative on tax here, though the Gov't are trying their best to change that.

It's also my experience that you get what you pay for, contractors in the whole tend to have a much wider breadth of knowledge from various sectors and hit the ground running whereas I don't tend to see the same appetite from Permanent employees (in most cases!).

Re:We only hire the trendiest by wtbob on Monday March 21, 2016 @09:43AM (#11327969)
IBM used this kinda of contractor quite a lot in the 2000s and a bit later; I don't know if it does anymore.
Re:We only hire the trendiest by swalsh on Monday March 21, 2016 @09:24AM (#11327872)
A good way to know what kind of contractor they are is to look at the vendor. Robert Half, Tech Systems etc probably augmentation. Smaller vendor, or independent. Better chance of "Specialist".
Re:We only hire the trendiest by vanderhosen on Monday March 21, 2016 @11:52AM (#11328905)
I'm a contractor for a large research facility. The arrangement is almost exactly as you describe, but I am a W2 employee. They hire researchers with phds and such, while offloading all software work to contractors.

I took the job a year ago with the hope its name recognition would be helpful in the future but I had no idea there was such a stigma around contracting. I'm starting to look around again, so I guess I'll see how it effects me.