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Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by ChrisDutrow on Sunday March 20, 2016 @11:42PM (#11326085)
This is a bit of a PR issue as well. I think most people don't know that when they pay more for a genuine charger, they are getting value for their money.

I think most people feel like Apple is ripping them off on replacement chargers. That's why many people will still buy chargers with an obvious flaw like a plastic ground pin. They just think it's not quite as nice as the metal version but still works fine (they probably don't know the pin is for grounding at all... or what grounding something even means).

An irony is that people do trust they are getting value Apple's expensive primary product (iPhone, Laptop, iPad...)

Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by joshvm on Monday March 21, 2016 @02:33AM (#11326558)
The problem is that every time my Macbook charger (I'm on my third in seven years, soon to get number 4 as this one is dying) has failed, it's not been the charger itself, it's crappy strain relief and thin cables. I'm happy to pay $65 for a new charger block, but when it's just the cable that's failed, I'm not getting value for money.

I bought a counterfeit charger once (on purpose) and gave up using it after it sparked while I was in bed. Having that protection circuitry is really useful when your whole laptop case is grounded.

I mentioned in another post, but this is why I'm excited for USB-C power delivery. Finally companies can deliver the AC mains cable, the power brick and the charging cable as separate replaceable components.

Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by jackhack on Monday March 21, 2016 @11:27AM (#11328729)
>>it's crappy strain relief and thin cables.

Same experience here; the chargers are electronically long-lived, but cables fail for me within 2-3 years. Most recently, the rubber insulation disintegrated, and it wasn't due to strain. It just crumbled away.

I bought a replacement cable from Amazon for around $7 delivered and soldered it in place -- a 15 minute job. Only difficult part was cracking open the charger case.

Search (online retailer) for "magsafe 1|2 cable". Here's a link to the one I bought: http://www.amazon.com/ElementDigital-Lovely-Adapter-Connecto...

tl;dr If you can solder, replace the cable yourself. Heck, you could buy a solder station AND a replacement cable and still be ahead by a few dollars.

Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by krrrh on Monday March 21, 2016 @06:23AM (#11327137)
It helps a lot to make a practice of wrapping the cable in a way that reduces stress. Apologies if you already do this, but maybe it will help someone else. Image here[1].

[1] http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/de/95/72/de9572cfef6e...

Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by raihansaputra on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @04:28AM (#11335100)
i've been wrapping my cables in a strain-free way (similar to the way they ship it in the box) for the entire time i have used my charger and somehow the shielding near the charger still breaks. they definitely need better cables.
Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by ChrisDutrow on Monday March 21, 2016 @02:38AM (#11326573)
I've seen the USB-C cables for sale and heard they are great, but don't know of any devices that use them yet. Do you know any devices that are using them yet?
Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by f_allwein on Monday March 21, 2016 @04:50AM (#11326861)
Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by joshvm on Monday March 21, 2016 @07:15AM (#11327308)
Alongside the 12" Macbook, there are a few ultrabooks that use it, notably the Google Chromebook Pixel and the Dell XPS 13.
Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by soylentcola on Monday March 21, 2016 @10:29AM (#11328271)
Nexus 5X and 6P for starters.
Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by PhasmaFelis on Monday March 21, 2016 @01:32PM (#11329903)
> This is a bit of a PR issue as well. I think most people don't know that when they pay more for a genuine charger, they are getting value for their money. I think most people feel like Apple is ripping them off on replacement chargers.

Apple is ripping us off. There's no way that a quality charger actually costs any significant fraction of $65. (Putting aside the lack of proper strain relief and generally shitty, failure-prone cable; MacBook chargers are practically guaranteed to need replacement at least once in the device's lifetime, in my experience.)

Unfortunately, Apple's dodgy chargers are still better than anything else by leaps and bounds, so they remain the most economical choice despite being wildly overpriced.

I feel like there's potentially a big market for decent quality third-party MacBook chargers at a decent price. It's a shame that nobody makes anything like that.

> That's why many people will still buy chargers with an obvious flaw like a plastic ground pin.

Somewhat unrelated, but what confuses me is: the US MacBook charger comes with a long three-prong cable and a short two-prong cable. Either the ground pin isn't necessary, and I'm being needlessly inconvenienced by not being able to use the long cable with two-prong outlets, or it is necessary and I'm being endangered by the two-prong. Either way I'm not sure why they'd do that.

Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by rasz_pl on Monday March 21, 2016 @12:40PM (#11329336)
The thing is Apple IS ripping them off!

"additional parts provide better power quality and improved safety in the real charger; this is part of the reason genuine chargers are significantly more expensive"

is not really true, those additional parts add maybe $10 to the BOM. $80 for $20 worth of charger, $30 for $2 cable, you are being screwed on every single Apple branded accessory.

Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by ChrisDutrow on Monday March 21, 2016 @01:00PM (#11329518)
I was thinking they were like $40. $80 sounds a little steep.

I see some non-Apple branded chargers on Amazon Prime for around $40. I wonder if those chargers have the high quality electronics in them since they are from companies that are trying to develop a good name for producing accessories?

The Apple accessory that I feel is worth the money is their $30 ear buds. I use ear buds a lot. You can get decent ones for $15-$20, but I think the apple ones are worth $30.

Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by gambiting on Monday March 21, 2016 @06:49AM (#11327227)
Is it really for grounding? In most EU countries the apple charger ships with the Europlug[1], which doesn't even have a ground and the charger works absolutely fine.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europlug

Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by heeen2 on Monday March 21, 2016 @01:52AM (#11326449)
The ground pin is not even used with the common two-prong adapter piece, though.
Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by robin_reala on Monday March 21, 2016 @02:22AM (#11326534)
You can attach any plug to any MacBook power supply though, which includes a bunch of earthed ones.
Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by copperx on Monday March 21, 2016 @02:50AM (#11326595)
What do you mean? Isn't that plug proprietary? (It has a weird shape)
Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by robin_reala on Monday March 21, 2016 @02:58AM (#11326614)
Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by sokoloff on Monday March 21, 2016 @04:24AM (#11326786)
Adapters on the line side are readily available on Aliexpress around/under $1USD.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/EU-US-Plug-Converter-Power-Ad...

Re:Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside ... by gambiting on Monday March 21, 2016 @07:09AM (#11327290)
Nope, if you've got a cable like this it will fit without any problem:

http://image.ceneo.pl/data/products/13603422/i-hama-29167-00...