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Re:Thank you for ad blocking by dheera on Sunday March 20, 2016 @10:36AM (#11323061)
I believe that for any electrical signals that enter my private space or privately-owned devices, I have the right to do whatever I want with, including decide how to render or display said signals, within the confines of my private space.

If you want to ask me to pay before those bytes will be sent to my private space, that's fine. You can recommend, but you cannot impose that I use a certain way to display your information. If I prefer using Lynx to view your website, I have the right to do that (and it won't show your ads because it's not even graphical). If I prefer using a modified version of Chromium, that's no different.

Ad blocking on a web browser is no different from muting the TV and grabbing a snack when the ads come on.

Yes, I understand advertising is a business model. That business model should take into account that a certain fraction of users are going to block them. If too many users start blocking ads, we can and will develop new business models to drive businesses. For example, perhaps a new form of advertising could be fun for the user, such that they wouldn't want to block them.

Re:Thank you for ad blocking by Touche on Sunday March 20, 2016 @11:10AM (#11323209)
Of course you do. We have a long history of modifying content to our liking.

People listen to certain rock songs backwards thinking there is a satanic message hidden.

People watch movie trilogies in orders other than the one the filmmakers intended (Such as the Star Wars Machete Order).

People create mods for games that change the look and some times playing style.

When CSS first came about, modifying styles was outright encouraged.

Today there are numerous browser extensions that modify the experience of Reddit, Facebook, and other popular sites.

Hell, there are several businesses built on modifying Gmail for better workflows.

Re:Thank you for ad blocking by zeta0134 on Sunday March 20, 2016 @12:53PM (#11323585)
This, so much this. Let's not forget also that most ad blockers fail to block the best kind of advertising: curated, first-party advertisements that are delivered as part of the original page, and which read like the other articles on the same site. Kotaku does a great job with this and their sponsored posts.

It's not advertising itself that I object to, it's distractingly annoying motion and sound, and it's third party content injection. Advertising can be great, but the current trend is for it to be flashy and obnoxious, and that's not OK.

Re:Thank you for ad blocking by unclebucknasty on Sunday March 20, 2016 @02:44PM (#11324067)
I know this comment will be unpopular here but...

Some of this argument doesn't hold up. Websites are not electrical signals that just enter your space". You're explicitly requesting access to them. And, they are not free to operate. Your requests to view them cost the producer some amount of money.

I'm not a fan of ads myself and think they are frequently outright abusive (even without malware). In fact, I pretty much detest the volume of advertising today.

But, I don't get this idea that we have a right* to consume web content hosted on a private entity's servers. There is a choice not to consume at all. Yes, companies like CNN shove so many ads in their vids that they are now more ads than content. So, I no longer watch vids on CNN.

I also think the analogy between ad blocking and grabbing a snack during TV ads is lacking. In the former case, there is a "set and forget" tech that guarantees that no ads will be seen...ever. In the latter case, one must actively avoid each advertisement, and do so with near perfect timing.

>...business model should take into account that a certain fraction of users are going to block [ads]

The reasoning here reminds me of that employed by people who believe music should be free. But, I can't figure out why people who presumably appreciate an artist, think that artist should work for nothing. The answer is that they don't actually believe that. Instead, it really boils down to "let someone else pay for it".

Re:Thank you for ad blocking by pvg on Sunday March 20, 2016 @01:21PM (#11323721)
I believe that for any electrical signals that enter my private space or privately-owned devices, I have the right to do whatever I want with

Not really. You can't spy on your neighbours or decrypt and watch pay satellite or cable tv.

Re:Thank you for ad blocking by chrisseaton on Sunday March 20, 2016 @01:33PM (#11323775)
I think he's talking about his moral beliefs, not his legal rights.
Re:Thank you for ad blocking by pvg on Sunday March 20, 2016 @05:27PM (#11324753)
Either way, my point is it's an oddly popular belief that's so inconsistent with reality it can't serve as a basis for any coherent argument about adblocking.
Re:Thank you for ad blocking by Spivak on Monday March 21, 2016 @12:23PM (#11329180)
Sure it can, the law is neither immutable nor sacred. Just because large corporate interests managed to create backwards laws doesn't mean we can't ignore them or talk about what the law ought to be.

The people who make this argument aren't inconsistent, they also likely believe that decrypting satellite, breaking DRM, or generally hacking or cracking shouldn't be illegal but dealt with through proper security or private contract.

Re:Thank you for ad blocking by dheera on Wednesday March 23, 2016 @01:28AM (#11342335)
Slightly off topic but I should point out by the way -- I haven't stated my gender so I would strongly suggest the use of a gender-neutral language in referring to HN comment authors. Original poster (OP), parent, grandparent (GP) are common gender-neutral pronouns in forums.

(I do happen to be male, but I just noticed, and just wanted to make a suggestion for the future.)

(If you went through the trouble of looking up who I am via googling me or such, and then wrote the comment, then please ignore this and thank you for your attention to detail.)

Re:Thank you for ad blocking by GFK_of_xmaspast on Sunday March 20, 2016 @02:46PM (#11324077)
> I believe that for any electrical signals that enter my private space or privately-owned devices, I have the right to do whatever I want with

Radar detectors are illegal in some places.