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Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by yitchelle on Thursday March 17, 2016 @06:14AM (#11303503)
I don't get why Google and others are not going out of the valley to nearby cities like Sacramento? The difference in property acquisition is probably pocket change to the company, but I reckon the quality of life to the Googlers, Facebookers etc would be vastly different.
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by mtbcoder on Thursday March 17, 2016 @07:47AM (#11303751)
Why stop there though? Why not open up shop near a university town with a low cost of living? Steady supply of interns, new hires, R&D partnerships, etc. Culture in a university town, while not on par with a major city, is generally quite well too.
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by geogra4 on Thursday March 17, 2016 @08:45AM (#11303977)
They have offices all over the country at college towns for this very reason (see Google Ann Arbor)

https://www.google.com/about/company/facts/locations/

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by karpodiem on Thursday March 17, 2016 @10:10AM (#11304411)
while there's a number of engineers at Google A2, it would constitute less than 10% of the headcount at that office (this is guess based on the LinkedIn research I've done. If someone has a more precise number, would very much like to hear it)
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by unprepare on Thursday March 17, 2016 @10:39AM (#11304589)
I've been there for interviews and tours - it is primarily ad sales and account managers.

This information may be out of date, its probably been three or four years since i was there.

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by bane on Thursday March 17, 2016 @08:41AM (#11303962)
I agree, open up site offices near universities, major labs, single tech company towns, etc. There's a huge number of talented people looking for work in those areas and it saves on everything from real estate expense to relocation expenses.

But then of course, big companies will do it wrong. I'm reminded of companies moving to places like the D.C. area, where all their clients are in Virginia or Maryland, but go ahead and set up shop in D.C., where nobody from their client locations likes to go. Even better they'll pick one of the few spots in the city without metro access and make it even harder on themselves to do business.

Companies almost need relocation experts for setting up these kinds of remote sites.

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by ethagknight on Thursday March 17, 2016 @07:58AM (#11303786)
As a real estate developer, I would love to see some more discussion on this thread. What would it take to get a major tech company to relocate an office or two from Bay Area to much cheaper regions. Obvious items would be network effects, primarily access to skilled labor and capital. What else? Cheap, frequent flights to the mothership? Has Google fiber and the likes had any real impact on luring tech workers out? If anyone knows of existing discussion or papers on the topic, id love to read it. I'm in Memphis TN, and cities in the area have low cost of living, some dense urban areas, etc. Oh, and 30-40 story class A office towers that are partially filled.
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by tallanvor on Thursday March 17, 2016 @09:05AM (#11304058)
People have to want to live there, otherwise you're very limited in your recruiting pool to people either already in that region, or possibly people from that region.

As an example, I work in Oslo, and we have offices in Trondheim and Tromso as well due to the universities in those cities. Recruiting people to work in Oslo is quite easy, but almost nobody is willing to move to Trondheim or Tromso unless they were looking to move back there anyway.

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by achow on Thursday March 17, 2016 @10:40AM (#11304594)
Opening office is not good enough.

The center of gravity also should move. Example, if all CXOs move then there is a chance that office will prosper and people from other parts of country would also move there even if they had no plans earlier.

Quite often I have seen that satellite office don't prosper because the center of action is still at HQ, that translates to freedom of moving between teams, opportunity to work on problems that really matter for the company, etc. Satellite office attracts only those folks who have reasons to be in those cities (usually for personal reasons, very seldom for professional ones).

Only way it can be really effective is if a company moves lock, stock and barrel to a new location - the way Boeing did in early 2000 (moved its HQ from Seattle to Chicago).

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by Johnnybe on Thursday March 17, 2016 @08:53AM (#11304002)
Google already has offices all around the world. They are already doing this.
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by ZanyProgrammer on Thursday March 17, 2016 @09:08AM (#11304071)
But aren't a lot of those offices either 1. much smaller than MV or 2. not engineering offices?
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by Nav_Panel on Thursday March 17, 2016 @08:42AM (#11303963)
This happened in Pittsburgh. Not quite a college town, but many Google Pittsburgh employees are straight out of Carnegie Mellon.
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by pflats on Thursday March 17, 2016 @11:11AM (#11304809)
It's definitely a recruiting strategy. Heck, until fairly recently, Google Pittsburgh was on the CMU campus.

Apple, Intel, Disney, and a bunch of others still are.

http://www.cmu.edu/corporate/partnerships/cic/tenants.html

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by Bluestrike2 on Thursday March 17, 2016 @03:54PM (#11307068)
Google has an engineering office here in Pittsburgh right down the road from CMU. So do a lot of other tech companies. A huge part of that is the sheer number of colleges in the area, low cost of living, and apparently the booming food scene with lots of creative chefs due to low rents [0]. Not sure if I'm wiling to buy that last one as a tangible factor in economic growth, but it certainly tastes good in the interim.

0. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/dining/pittsburgh-restaura...

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by DINKDINK on Thursday March 17, 2016 @08:55AM (#11304009)
Might you be able to test this out for yourself? Is your job location the main reason you don't live in your university town? For me it's not.
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by cmrdporcupine on Thursday March 17, 2016 @09:34AM (#11304200)
Right, you mean like Google Waterloo
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by tallanvor on Thursday March 17, 2016 @08:57AM (#11304022)
It can be hard to find people who actually want to live there. It's one thing to have a stream of new interns and even fresh college grads, but what do you do when they constantly want to move somewhere else after a year or two?
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by ethanbond on Thursday March 17, 2016 @09:09AM (#11304079)
It'll be more and more difficult to convince people to move to Mtn View, though.

It's a delicate balance.

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by tallanvor on Thursday March 17, 2016 @09:33AM (#11304193)
Certainly cost of living in the area is becoming a major issue for companies. But it's the startups who are already being priced out of the area. Companies like Google and Apple can afford to offer higher wages (even if they don't necessarily want to.)

But before you see these companies trying to start a major hub in a university town, there are other large cities that would be more palatable: Chicago, Pittsburgh, Boston, and Portland are places I would expect to be considered. Even Raleigh/Durham and Charlotte since there's already a fair bit of momentum there, although I suspect them to be a more difficult sell for the same reasons I think Atlanta will have trouble attracting talent.

Atlanta would be somewhat attractive, except that Georgia has just passed their "Religious Freedom" law (i.e. the "We Support Discrimination" law). Tech companies tend to be more liberal and don't like limiting their applicant pool, and setting up shop there would certainly do so.

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by st3v3r on Thursday March 17, 2016 @04:33PM (#11307372)
Mountain View and the Bay Area, maybe. But they also have offices in Austin, Seattle, NYC, etc.
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by akhilcacharya on Thursday March 17, 2016 @01:55PM (#11306190)
They do have those, many are from acquisitions like Chapel Hill.
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by BillyParadise on Thursday March 17, 2016 @10:50AM (#11304668)
Why stop even there - why not just build your own town and your own university to train people the Google Way - if Trump can have a university, why not Google?
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by drewg123 on Thursday March 17, 2016 @11:41AM (#11305038)
I agree.

I'm an Xoogler, and before I quit last summer, our group had been slated to move from the main Mountain View campus to the new "Tech Corners" campus in Sunnyvale[1].

Before Google, I'd worked remote for 15 years, and am working remote again now. About the only thing that made working in the open-office environment tolerable was the feeling of being in the main campus where things were happening. Collaborating with other groups was a 5-10 minute walk or bike ride, rather than a hangout. I went nearly every week to TGIF in Charlies, and I went to a lot of the author talks, and to one off events (like internal job fairs, the MK fair before they got rid of it, GoogleWeen, etc), and use the urgent care clinic. Not to mention that we had zillions of cafes and food trucks to choose from, multiple gyms, multiple TechStops, etc.

Once you're all the way in Sunnyvale, in-person meetings become much more difficult, and the amenities like I mentioned above drop away. At that point, you might as well be in some lower-cost area with cheaper housing and a better commute. Or working remotely :)

[1]The new building was a new-style REWS abomination with impressive public spaces to walk through on the way to totally open offices with no cube walls (as opposed to the 4' walls around the 12 person cubes in the building I was in). So there was a lot of resistance in my group..

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by kyrra on Thursday March 17, 2016 @03:53PM (#11307063)
The opinions stated here are my own, not necessarily those of Google.

Google has offices all over the country, everyone just focuses on MTV as it's the biggest. In the US there are already large offices in Seattle, NYC, and Chicago. They are also expanding in other cities. Boulder CO is building a new building that can house up to 1500 people. In Austin, TX they are leasing 200,000sqft of office space downtown.

There are definite advantages to having all your people on the same project be in the same area. Remote offices are nice and all to attract talent that doesn't want to be in the Bay area, but there are downsides about distributed teams.

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by financedfuture on Thursday March 17, 2016 @08:38AM (#11303954)
In 2014, Google's Total Operating Expense was 49.5B.

I'm not convinced going out of the Valley would be vital for them.

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:GOOG&fstype=ii

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by st3v3r on Thursday March 17, 2016 @04:29PM (#11307346)
How many of their employees would like to move to Sacramento? While I'm sure the number is not zero, I doubt it's big enough to warrant doing such a thing.
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by raverbashing on Thursday March 17, 2016 @06:30AM (#11303546)
This

You can have shuttle buses between campuses from when you really need to be in one place, for example

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by robk on Thursday March 17, 2016 @07:58AM (#11303793)
Or like Intel a corporate jet to go between Folsom and Santa Clara. Works really well actually.
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by st3v3r on Thursday March 17, 2016 @04:36PM (#11307390)
What about for taking advantage of the perks of being on the main campus, though?
Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by raverbashing on Friday March 18, 2016 @04:54AM (#11310611)
Only if they save me more time and make me worry less than staying closer to home

Most perks are only for show anyway. I'd rather not have a dog than bring it to work, or just have time to play with it by commuting a shorter distance

Re:Google pays $250M for Sunnyvale offices where 3,000 could... by yitchelle on Thursday March 17, 2016 @04:49PM (#11307488)
Does those perks add to your quality of life? For me, I would put perks lower than having a lower cost of living, less commute time, less stressful lifestyle.

Horses for courses maybe.