Re:Why energy storage sucks
by Faaak on Thursday March 03, 2016 @06:51AM
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Energy storage not only consists of batteries… Pumped hydro, for example, works well and does not decays over time.
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Pumped hydro is absolutely great, but it's an option for tremendous (grid-level) scales, and requires convenient locations (e.g. a hilltop you can "blow up" with a large stream nearby, or a standard dam with a lake or lake-able location close to its foot). It's way, way beyond the scales the article is talking about (note the picture from a health clinic in Rwanda).
How big of a tank on your roof do you need to replace a box of lead acid batteries?
A 12V deep-discharge lead-acid battery is typically 120amp-hours. That's 1.4kWh. Suppose you only 50% discharge it for longevity, that's 700Wh. I'll assume your box of batteries has ten of them, so a usable capacity of 7kWh. 1kWh = 3.6MJ, so 7kWh = 25MJ
How high is your roof? Lets say 10 metres. Potential energy U = mgh. (m=mass in kg). h=10, g~=10, so U=100*m.
So, to equal those batteries, assuming 100% efficiency, the mass of water needs to be 250000 kg, or 250 tonnes. Probably going to need to reinforce the loft.
Re:Why energy storage sucks
by Dylan16807 on Thursday March 03, 2016 @02:31PM
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So 'roof' is clearly out of the question. Now let's look at basement. I install a 4x4x2 meter tank, then drill down 100 meters to create another such tank. 32 tonnes lifted 100 meters gives me 32MJ, perfect.
Now how expensive is it to build a water storage area underground? Is this a 50 thousand dollar project or a 50 million dollar project?
If the ground water is at the right depth, you would only need to drill a well. So this should be practical somewhere, at least.
Your 100 meter channel is going to get flooded.
Re:Why energy storage sucks
by Dylan16807 on Thursday March 03, 2016 @02:44PM
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That's your biggest objection to the idea? A 100 meter waterproof pipe is the easiest problem to solve here.
Is your house 100 feet tall or taller, and I hope your whole house is made out of structural steel.
Re:Why energy storage sucks
by brillenfux on Thursday March 03, 2016 @07:29AM
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Plus you probably cannot beat the cost efficiency.
I see challenges for mobile applications, though.