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Re:Kanye West caught using Pirate Bay to download music soft... by baddox on Wednesday March 02, 2016 @01:17PM (#11211798)
> They have lost a potential sale.

Which isn't a very strong argument, since you also lose a potential sale if someone decides to purchase your competitor's product rather than your own. And hopefully no one would call that "stealing."

Re:Kanye West caught using Pirate Bay to download music soft... by niij on Wednesday March 02, 2016 @05:41PM (#11213635)
Except in this example, there is no competitor making the sale because of a lower price or higher quality product. The choice of product remains the same; the only difference is that the copier pays nothing to ANYONE and is the only person receiving a benefit.

I used to be in the camp in philosophical support of piracy, and I still pirate some of my media. But, I no longer try to excuse the behavior behind a thinly veiled philosophy.

Maybe it's not stealing, but it sure isn't harmless.

Re:Kanye West caught using Pirate Bay to download music soft... by baddox on Wednesday March 02, 2016 @07:37PM (#11214257)
> Except in this example, there is no competitor making the sale because of a lower price or higher quality product. The choice of product remains the same; the only difference is that the copier pays nothing to ANYONE and is the only person receiving a benefit.

That's true, but the firm's bottom line is the same regardless of whether they lost a sale to piracy or lost a sale to a competitor.

> I used to be in the camp in philosophical support of piracy, and I still pirate some of my media. But, I no longer try to excuse the behavior behind a thinly veiled philosophy.

Then either I'm on the same philosophical road as you but further back, or my philosophical support is stronger than yours was.

Re:Kanye West caught using Pirate Bay to download music soft... by niij on Monday March 07, 2016 @12:26AM (#11237290)
>That's true, but the firm's bottom line is the same regardless of whether they lost a sale to piracy or lost a sale to a competitor.

Yes, the firm's bottom line remains the same. But the difference between losing a sale to a competitor and losing a sale to piracy has vastly different consequences. When losing a sale to a competitor, there is competition and money continues to flow into "Product Market X", fueling competition and innovation. When a potential purchaser in "Product Market X" gets the best firm's product for free, it hurts competition and innovation by decreasing the sale to the best company.

>Then either I'm on the same philosophical road as you but further back, or my philosophical support is stronger than yours was.

Only time will tell. I totally agree information should be shared and spread for the good of humanity, but there needs to be some returns for people that seek it (to a reasonable amount of money... Adobe can get bent).