Re:Play: A P2P distributed torrent site that's impossible to...
by nowprovision on Wednesday March 02, 2016 @08:37AM
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This is interesting, one thing that does concern me though is the fingerprint of the traffic, is this "impossible to shut down" presuming ISPs don't analyze their own users traffic and don't apply restrictions to such in certain circumstances. For example ip traffic unless to a dst of 80/443 with proto tcp (or 53/udp dns) could be classified as potential-P2P and throttled. Or if residential ISPs don't let end users run servers possibly by something as primitive as a router ACL on ports <1024, and then throttle P2P where src port and dst port both > 1024 then how will this survive?
It sounds like this solves the discover-ability issue, but weather it can be crippled vs shutdown Im not so sure.
Also does this have anything to do with popcorn time, looks very similar, movie time :)
Re:Play: A P2P distributed torrent site that's impossible to...
by AnthonyMouse on Wednesday March 02, 2016 @10:13AM
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Can you please not suggest such things? It gives the idiots ideas.
Let me just break it four different ways in three seconds to prove the point. Tor is not suitable for torrenting because the relays don't have enough bandwidth, but hosting a trivial website like this requires very little bandwidth so that wouldn't be a problem, and Tor relays use TCP port 443. Similarly, anyone using a VPN would be unaffected. And unless what you've described was done by by every ISP everywhere in the world, people on ISPs that did it could still connect to everyone on an ISP that didn't do it and the site would remain available everywhere. And, because a site like this would require very little bandwidth per user, throttling would be completely ineffective anyway.
But your proposal would violate network neutrality and interfere with the nascent movement to decentralize things back from having everything go through Facebook, so no.
Re:Play: A P2P distributed torrent site that's impossible to...
by MajesticHobo on Wednesday March 02, 2016 @09:09AM
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Possibly, but it's no longer the case. Too many aspects of the modern internet are centralized to a degree that makes resistance against that difficult.
Re:Play: A P2P distributed torrent site that's impossible to...
by startling on Wednesday March 02, 2016 @10:25AM
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(Replying to vmorgulis):
> Yes. I remenber a recent post claiming it's near impossible to manage it's own mail server anymore because gmail and others mark all new senders as spam. It takes years to be recognized as a legitimate server.
That's just wrong. It's a hassle for sure, but it doesn't take years.
Re:Play: A P2P distributed torrent site that's impossible to...
by venomsnake on Wednesday March 02, 2016 @09:37AM
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Well if ISP-s try to make themselves smart I will politely explain that I pay for connectivity to 3+B ip addresses with 65535 ports each. And probably also ask FCC if they think that too. I've heard that this guy Wheeler is kinda sympathetic towards the rights of the end points in the network.
Re:Play: A P2P distributed torrent site that's impossible to...
by semi-extrinsic on Wednesday March 02, 2016 @03:49PM
(#11212894)
If you have the money, you can always rent antenna space on a nearby office building and get commercial-grade internet in that building hooked up to a 5ghz link going to your house. E.g. ubiquiti nanobridge (30 km LoS range) is only $200 for a pair.
Re:Play: A P2P distributed torrent site that's impossible to...
by nullnacht on Thursday March 03, 2016 @03:37PM
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I'm interested in how the site maintains database. I've heard of something like distributed hash tables, but I'm not sure if that is related. They would have to have a database to store the magnet links and they would need to be able to query the database to display content. Is each computer on the network holding the entire site or only pieces, and then are all computers holding the entire database?
Re:Play: A P2P distributed torrent site that's impossible to...
by corv on Wednesday March 02, 2016 @12:13PM
(#11211282)
It uses namecoin for domains.
Personal identities are essentially bitcoin addresses (public keys) with corresponding private keys. This provides passwordless logins and authentication.
Sites on ZeroNet are bitcoin addresses with modification permission given based on ownership of the equivalent private key.
Re:Play: A P2P distributed torrent site that's impossible to...
by tobylane on Thursday March 03, 2016 @07:40AM
(#11216456)
The material doesn't need to be hidden from the world (ISP at most) because it's already public material. It includes checksums in the protocol at a more appropriate frequency.
Plus (some) SSL has only just become hardware accelerated. It's only now or in the next few years that someone would consider SSL in torrents - just for hiding from ISPs. Still too many other problems. MPAA are known to download films for the peer list. You'd still be on that.
It sounds like this solves the discover-ability issue, but weather it can be crippled vs shutdown Im not so sure.
Also does this have anything to do with popcorn time, looks very similar, movie time :)
Let me just break it four different ways in three seconds to prove the point. Tor is not suitable for torrenting because the relays don't have enough bandwidth, but hosting a trivial website like this requires very little bandwidth so that wouldn't be a problem, and Tor relays use TCP port 443. Similarly, anyone using a VPN would be unaffected. And unless what you've described was done by by every ISP everywhere in the world, people on ISPs that did it could still connect to everyone on an ISP that didn't do it and the site would remain available everywhere. And, because a site like this would require very little bandwidth per user, throttling would be completely ineffective anyway.
But your proposal would violate network neutrality and interfere with the nascent movement to decentralize things back from having everything go through Facebook, so no.
It reminds me the Gnutella slogan (The network than can resist a nuclear attack).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnutella
Wasn't that the intent when creating the Internet as a whole?
> Yes. I remenber a recent post claiming it's near impossible to manage it's own mail server anymore because gmail and others mark all new senders as spam. It takes years to be recognized as a legitimate server.
That's just wrong. It's a hassle for sure, but it doesn't take years.
Does "utilizes Bitcoin cryptography" mean that there is a BT-ish system of bandwidth credits?
Personal identities are essentially bitcoin addresses (public keys) with corresponding private keys. This provides passwordless logins and authentication.
Sites on ZeroNet are bitcoin addresses with modification permission given based on ownership of the equivalent private key.
Plus (some) SSL has only just become hardware accelerated. It's only now or in the next few years that someone would consider SSL in torrents - just for hiding from ISPs. Still too many other problems. MPAA are known to download films for the peer list. You'd still be on that.