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Re:Google says self-driving car hits municipal bus in minor ... by kuschku on Monday February 29, 2016 @03:15PM (#11198069)
The issue are not the drivers.

I’ll report what I observed in 2 years of 3 to 4 times of using the bus a day in Germany.

Every time a bus was late, or tried to break the sound barrier™ in the hope of reducing some of the delay, was due to one of the following issues:

(a) A tourist with texan accent trying to get onto the bus, discussing with the bus driver if he can pay with credit card or in dollar (no), then asking the bus driver to wait while he’s going to get money from the nearest ATM (happens at about 5% of stops in the downtown areas where the tourists are)

(b) Rush hour traffic, 200 people squeezing into a single bus, and another few hundred waiting at the bus stop – busses coming every one or two minutes, and it takes quite some time until people stop trying to get into the bus, and leave enough space for the doors to close

(c) some kids with invalid tickets trying to cheat and getting caught

These issues can’t be fixed by automated busses, or trains.

Only by less tight schedules, and more busses and trains.

Re:Google says self-driving car hits municipal bus in minor ... by Symbiote on Monday February 29, 2016 @05:56PM (#11199379)
(a) is fixed because there's probably no-one for the Texan to talk to on the bus. For trains, the person to talk to is on the platform, and can simply let the train depart (example: Copenhagen Metro, although good luck spotting any staff).

It could be more easily fixed by accepting foreign credit cards (Gothenburg manages this, London if the card is contactless) or telling drivers not to wait.

(b) is partly solved if the cost of running buses/trains is significantly reduced, as that leaves money for extra vehicles.

(c)... well, who will notice?

Re:Google says self-driving car hits municipal bus in minor ... by kuschku on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @05:07AM (#11201795)
Also, regarding (b):

Already many cities today operate busses by taking unemployed people and forcing them to take the job as bus driver for no pay (they'd have to continue living off of welfare), otherwise they'd lose 50% of their welfare money.

That's how you get bus drivers for free — automated vehicles can't really beat that.

Re:Google says self-driving car hits municipal bus in minor ... by andbberger on Monday February 29, 2016 @07:49PM (#11200037)
I think that this amounts to a small pebble in the mountain of technologies that have to be developed to enable AVs.

Here's an easy solution: every bus stop has a kiosk that dispenses a RFID bus pass if you put in your payment info. Then, when the bus comes, you can enter from any door and the RFID receivers detect your presence. Attempts to board without a bus pass are detected with weight sensors and a camera network (current computer vision techniques are probably reliable enough for this application; they'll be even better in a few years). Unauthorized persons are advised to get off at the next stop by audio recording and identified by displaying a snapshot of their face (taken earlier on the bus). If they don't get off the transit police are summoned.

Re:Google says self-driving car hits municipal bus in minor ... by ant6n on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @09:58AM (#11202938)
Fix with POP (Proof-of-Purchase). That is, you can enter the vehicle through any door, but you must have a valid ticket. Occasional inspectors check the tickets, and issue fines for people who don't have tickets such that the expected cost of not paying your fare is on the same order or lower than fare beating.

Put a fare vending machine which accepts cash and credits cards on the bus, which also makes it very obvious how to get a single fare. (This exists for example for trams in Berlin, modulo the accepting credit cards part)

Re:Google says self-driving car hits municipal bus in minor ... by kuschku on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @12:23PM (#11204284)
We’re currently in the process of switching to RFID-cards as tickets, and allowing people with RFID credit cards to also pay via those.

But yes, all these issues are solveable – but "how close does the bus operate to the schedule" usually is not related to who drives it, but to how these issues are solved.

Re:Google says self-driving car hits municipal bus in minor ... by nske on Monday February 29, 2016 @05:50PM (#11199337)
In fairness, I think the best way to fix (a), (b) and (c) would actually be by automated buses or trains, that would enforce reasonable limitations strictly, without the possibility of negotiation.

i.e. the passenger would be prevented from boarding the vehicle without a valid ticket and provided there was sufficient capacity for a speedy and comfortable boarding.