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Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by mike_hearn on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @07:32AM (#11072281)
> There are some benefits to being a US citizen, like that the army will rescue you if there is a civil war

This is a common myth. If you don't intend to return to the USA there are no benefits to US citizenship, only downsides. The US may or may not rescue you if there's a civil war (see the fate of people in Yemen), but if they do, they will charge you for it at military rates you almost certainly cannot afford:

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/emergencies/cr...

See "Will the US government pay for my travel? What will it cost?" which says, essentially, that no, it won't. This is unlike other countries which DO evacuate citizens for free and DO NOT charge taxes on non-residents.

Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by rayiner on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @07:37AM (#11072301)
My dad was evacuated from Yemen by the military when the civil war there broke out. That blue passport was his ticket out of a country that was rapidly disintegrating. He was not charged anything for that. So they don't always charge you (indeed I've never heard of it).
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by mike_hearn on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @07:51AM (#11072366)
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by rayiner on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @08:03AM (#11072425)
My dad was evacuated 15-20 years ago. Before that, Yemen was a poor but pretty peaceful country. I think we should evacuate the folks stuck there now, but the state department isn't wrong to say that they've had a lot of notice and shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by xenihn on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @11:41AM (#11073931)
Didn't know about that situation with US citizens in Yemen, one of the comments posted in response to the LA Times article says Russia ended up evacuating them? Is that true, or just propaganda? The only source is RT..
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by 77pt77 on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @11:58AM (#11074092)
> LA Times article says Russia ended up evacuating them?

This would be irony overload.

For someone who still remembers the cold war this is almost unthinkable.

Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by knowaveragejoe on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @12:45PM (#11074439)
How so? The US and RU have a history of helping each other in situations like this.
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by ferentchak on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @04:02PM (#11075950)
Know of any examples where I can read an account of this.

It brings up my Rocky 4 warm fuzzy

Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by knodi123 on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @10:47AM (#11073472)
> but if they do, they will charge you for it at military rates you almost certainly cannot afford:

But the link you posted said "We charge you the equivalent of a full coach commercial fare on a comparable mode of transportation at the time that commercial travel ceases to be a viable option."

Where'd you get the "military rates" part?

Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by terinjokes on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @12:30PM (#11074330)
When was the last time you bought a full fare couch ticket? People are usually buying "double deep discount" tickets. Most of the time you can buy first or business fares for cheaper.
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by gcb0 on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @11:20AM (#11073719)
that's what they say of everything they buy for themselves too, and I've never saw a military contact that wasn't overcharged.
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by ceejayoz on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @09:46AM (#11073042)
> they will charge you for it at military rates you almost certainly cannot afford

Your link says "We charge you the equivalent of a full coach commercial fare on a comparable mode of transportation at the time that commercial travel ceases to be a viable option."

Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by dalke on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @10:02AM (#11073157)
In a parallel thread, mike_hearn links to https://goatpath.wordpress.com/2011/02/11/how-much-can-an-ev... .

The 45 minute flight from Port Au Prince, Haiti (after the earthquake) to Santo Domingo, DR cost $841.11.

I think this is because 'full coach commercial fare' is the most expensive coach option. Very few ever purchase it, excepting those who want full flexibility to change the schedule without extra fees, or request a class upgrade if available.

Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by mike_hearn on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @09:50AM (#11073063)
Yeah, but they don't. I posted links to support that elsewhere.

Still, the original argument wasn't about total cost, it said that being evacuated was a service you get just for being a US citizen. Not the case.

Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by rahimnathwani on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @02:52PM (#11075471)
"If you don't intend to return to the USA there are no benefits to US citizenship, only downsides."

Seriously? US citizenship means you can travel with a US passport, which allows visa-free travel to many, many countries: https://www.passportindex.org/byRank.php

Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by fapjacks on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @03:16PM (#11075640)
If you have a Euro passport, you might as well torch your American one. There is no benefit to being identified as an American overseas when you have a European passport. In fact I would argue it is more dangerous. My family that were stuck in Kurdistan were able to avoid violence against Americans because they had Swedish passports. That little blue book is a death sentence in some places where something else wouldn't be.
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by rahimnathwani on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @03:53PM (#11075890)
"If you have a Euro passport, you might as well torch your American one."

Even if that were true, what proportion of US citizens living outside the US (the class to which my comment and the immediate parent referred) have a 'Euro passport'?

Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by fapjacks on Thursday February 11, 2016 @02:47AM (#11078798)
That doesn't make what I said less true. You speak to counter the claim of downsides to having an American passport, I'm providing evidence of harm to your livelihood in some parts of the world for having an American passport (versus any other kind of passport).
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by rahimnathwani on Saturday February 13, 2016 @03:58AM (#11093307)
"You speak to counter the claim of downsides to having an American passport"

No, I spoke to counter this claim: "If you don't intend to return to the USA there are no benefits to US citizenship, only downsides."

I did not comment on the downsides. I spoke only of the benefits, which the parent comment said did not exist.

Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by toomuchtodo on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @04:16PM (#11076046)
Very, very small, and only those who've lived in the EU long enough to obtain citizenship.
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by toomuchtodo on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @03:12PM (#11075604)
TIL that both UK and US passports are the most powerful passports in the world.
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by DKnoll on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @04:45PM (#11076307)
Only in terms of the countries you can travel to without a visa. Go just about anywhere with a Canadian passport and they'll wave you past, almost like they're annoyed you think you might be considered a security risk.

I got a 6 month visa in the UK while laid over at Heathrow in under 10 minutes. Under "Reason for your stay in the UK" I wrote "a cigarette."

Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by rahimnathwani on Saturday February 13, 2016 @06:04AM (#11093521)
Why did you need a visa to get a cigarette? Canadians don't need a visa to enter the UK for tourism/transit/business, subject to some maximum amount of time (90 days IIRC, but definitely more than enough to buy a packet of cigarettes).
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by DKnoll on Tuesday February 16, 2016 @04:00PM (#11113088)
I was holding a carton of Marlboro Reds purchased in Berlin, so I didn't even need to buy any. I'm fairly certain we still need a visa, but it's basically an automatic process.
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by Chathamization on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @11:25AM (#11073773)
So, the US spends hundreds of billions of dollars a year on the military, but can't rely on it to protect its citizens to the degree that the Indian military (with a budget less than 1/10 of the US military's) protects its citizens? Sounds about right.
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by knowaveragejoe on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @11:40AM (#11073918)
The state department has been warning people to avoid Yemen for over a decade. Likewise they've had over a year of notice as actual organized violence has increased in the country. Up until the summer last year, people could've left at any time on a commercial flight.
Re:Why expat Americans are giving up their passports by bybjorn on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @01:41PM (#11074881)
$3-$5k is something you almost certainly cannot afford? For getting out of an active warzone that sounds like a steal to me :)