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Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by matt_wulfeck on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @02:39AM (#11063755)
> A spokesperson for the DOJ told Motherboard on Monday that the department “is looking into the unauthorized access of a system operated by one of its components...

Please don't give us the "we weren't hacked. It was a company we used that was!" Nonsense. I'm tired of hearing this. It's the same thing blue shield said when its/my/your data was pilfered. YOU are responsible for it! If you pass it off to some incompetent third party, then that reflects even more poorly on you!

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by ___ab___ on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @04:40AM (#11064232)
In this context, "component" means an agency that's part of the DOJ. The FBI, for example, is a component of the DOJ. They're simply stating that Main Justice wasn't hacked.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by PietdeVries on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @08:12AM (#11064996)
Makes you wonder, if these secret services can't keep their own data safe, what's gonna happen with the data they capture from us?
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by rcurry on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @12:42PM (#11067096)
Oh, you mean like all the personal information I had to submit to the Defense Investigative Service when they did my background check for a security clearance?

Why, it's funny you should ask! I just got a letter from the Office or Personnel Management about three months ago, proudly informing me that all that data is now in the hands of some foreign intelligence service.

Of course, they claimed it was the result of a "sophisticated" attack, which is government fail-speak for "We left your data on a bus, and a hobo took it".

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by avukich on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @01:19PM (#11067419)
>> Of course, they claimed it was the result of a "sophisticated" attack, which is government fail-speak for "We left your data on a bus, and a hobo took it".

No it isn't. The hack of OPM was very well publicized. It was a long time project of the Chinese government to break into OPM's computers. I don't believe everything I read, but in this case I know is exactly what happened.

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by atourgates on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @03:44PM (#11068604)
My wife got the same letter from her time working at the VA. Fingerprints, social security number and all the other personal details that they required.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by eli on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @01:20PM (#11067425)
Didn't the Chinese government more or less admit it was behind the OPM hack?

That doesn't prove the data was well secured or that the attack was especially sophisticated, but surely China is a capable adversary.

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by lallysingh on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @09:39AM (#11065503)
I don't wonder. It'll get hacked and stolen, repeatedly. Government isn't technically competent by itself, and doesn't know how to select those who are.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by lloyd-christmas on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @11:29AM (#11066414)
> Government isn't technically competent by itself, and doesn't know how to select those who are.

This is just dead wrong. I think you're conflating "Government" and "Politicians". The government pays tech very well and hires intelligent people. I once did a consulting gig and went in with your exact mindset. It was the only time I've ever been fully confident that I was the dumbest person in the room.

The reason they'll always lose is the sheer quantity of attacks. Every day we have front page posts critical of the US government. That sentiment (clearly) extends far beyond the front page of hacker news. I'd wager you wouldn't have to put much effort into finding anti-governmental rhetoric in the comments section of a cooking website.

Beyond that, the weak link is rarely the technical side, e.g. Snowden. I think we all can be confident they will lose the information, but I really don't believe it's because they are technically incompetent.

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by BinaryIdiot on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @12:04PM (#11066764)
As someone who's done DoD contracting for many years working for different agencies... I have to agree with parent. The amount of competent people I ran into, on the government and contractor side, could be counted on a single hand. I've reported and seen so many security holes that were never fixed it's ridiculous. I'd like to imagine the work done by our group was top notch but even if it objectively is it's rare to work on any DoD project without 10+ contractors all with varying levels of competence.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by avukich on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @01:21PM (#11067436)
Very true. I did DoD/IC contracting for 16 years before finally getting fed up and going into the "real" world last year. There are some very talented and intelligent people working as govies and as contractors, but for every very good person there are at least 4 turds.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by cjslep on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @12:02PM (#11066739)
The OPM breach exposing personal data of all cleared individuals (and their friends & families) for the past ~25 years points to management as being grossly incompetent.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by Lawtonfogle on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @03:58PM (#11068700)
>The government pays tech very well and hires intelligent people.

No they don't. Or at least, not the parts I worked in. Maybe the really secure stuff gets paid well, but from what I've seen government jobs are one of the worst paying jobs for an IT individual.

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by cmurf on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @09:58AM (#11065675)
So other governments are having this much of a problem and this frequently?
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by nickff on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @10:24AM (#11065855)
Other governments are less appealing and visible targets.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by cmurf on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @10:23PM (#11070561)
Why? What's the metric? All governments have the same kinds of data and potential for embarrassment. And in terms of GDP, the U.S., E.U. and China are in the same ballpark.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by edwhitesell on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @08:55AM (#11065227)
That's one reason why such data should only be captured for specific targets, not en masse...
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by fweespeech on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @10:14AM (#11065772)
It'll get captured from time to time. Its precisely why mass surveillance is a terrible fucking idea.

They'll never admit it gets stolen either.

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by sitkack on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @06:12AM (#11064559)
Justice was hacked a hellava long time ago.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by pc86 on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @09:25AM (#11065409)

  [citation needed]
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by cafard on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @09:50AM (#11065604)
Ca. 1996, the DOJ web server was hacked by somebody. At this point, I don't remember the details--Adolf Hitler as AG, a naughty picture or two. It shouldn't be hard to find.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by mikeash on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @10:28AM (#11065879)
That makes for nice headlines, but anyone who actually understands this stuff knows that hacking the public-facing web server is not a big deal and not really related to obtaining private info like this.

Edit: I just remembered, there is (of course) a relevant xkcd for this: https://xkcd.com/932/

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by ryanlol on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @03:04AM (#11063860)
There's literally no sign of a hack here (I mean, besides the statement that they're investigating), this is OSINT stuff.

Trust me, you could hack any recruiting company and they'd be sitting on much more data than this.

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by dhimes on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @08:03AM (#11064953)
If, like me, you don't know the term OSINT, it stands for "open source intelligence." What it means is publicly available information: phone books, mailing lists, published documents and other things people can find just by snooping a little and not breaching a security system. (Note: According the Wikipedia, this is a US-centric view of the term and may be different where you live.)
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by Taylor_OD on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @11:54AM (#11066657)
Recruiter here.

Due to the amount of turnover and lack of upper management effort you can "hack" almost any recruiting company. Most new recruiters have access to all internal records and are using a basic password (12345678 or password123)

It's not uncommon for recruiters to access other companies database to find numbers and email addresses.

Honestly if you have ever sent your resume to a recruiting agency your information is fairly accessible to anyone who cares to look for it. I can find cell phone numbers of most managers in the city because they applied for some recruiting agencies entry level positions 10+ years ago.

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by iheartmemcache on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @08:25AM (#11065064)
Yep. Even the spooky Stratfor[1] would have more information than this. This is nothing like what Snowden or literally hundreds of thousands of people who hold TS/SCI have access to (identities of NCOs or other espionage operatives, access to recruiting databases for foreign nationals who went abroad to the US for graduate studies and are being assessed as potential intelligence assets by their professors, etc). A pissed off 4channer with good Google-fu could get more information than this.

[1] Which I'm sure intelligence agencies are thankful for, because all the tin-foil hatters are misplacing their resources in designing conspiracy theories about an incompetent "private intelligence organization" which amounts to a bunch of people who could easily be outsmarted by a 4chan-er with good Google-fu. You know all those stories you heard about the KGB being incompetent, or now hear about how the Party is in modern China w/r/t information control? Yeah.. the FIVEEYES are about on par when it comes to incompetence.

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by mistermann on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @08:46AM (#11065174)
> recruiting databases for foreign nationals who went abroad to the US for graduate studies and are being assessed as potential intelligence assets by their professors

Is this for real?

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by schoen on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @11:54AM (#11066661)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Duffie_Shriver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8xlUNK4JHQ

(I would like to see corresponding movies warning students coming to study in the U.S. about U.S. government attempts to recruit them.)

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by jonesetc on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @09:25AM (#11065408)
Yes, it also happens in the reverse direction. Foreign nationals going abroad with the goal of gaining intelligence from professors.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by Abraln on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @09:41AM (#11065526)
When I was a research assistant in college in the US, we had an Iranian student apply to work with us several times, even after we told him no the first time. We were researching the properties of yellow cake uranium for the Department of Energy! Obviously there are strict rules on that kind of work, hiring him would have been VERY illegal, but he still kept bugging us even after telling him that.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by runjake on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @11:45AM (#11066577)
Here's a sign: there are the names and numbers of members of a secretive FBI counter-terrorism unit in the list. Stuff that, if not actually classified, is held close.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by 3327 on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @12:33PM (#11067034)
the dude is a dead man walking. don't think the FBI will take this lightly.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by rasz_pl on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @05:42AM (#11064469)
They arent responsible, subcontractor is. As I posted some time ago:

"The very first thing University of Washington Center for Information Assurance and Cybersecurity (accredited by U.S. Department of Homeland Security, whatever that means) teaches you about becoming a CIO is precisely delegating responsibility :)"

http://depts.washington.edu/ciac/

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by jdimov10 on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @06:43AM (#11064653)
So they're teaching idiots to hand off responsibility to other idiots and only cover their asses legally. What sort of irresponsible education do you have in the US?
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by mtreis86 on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @08:15AM (#11065018)
One where idiots hand off responsibility to other idiots and only cover their asses legally.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by redblacktree on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @09:40AM (#11065513)
Creating plausible deniability is one of the top required skills for upper management anywhere.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by jdimov10 on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @09:52AM (#11065628)
I fail to see how this brings ANY value to ANYONE, other than those who explicitly wish to engage in abuse of authority. I also fail to see how teaching this as a skill in university is any better than teaching advanced pocket picking skills to school children as part of the standard curriculum.

So, you'll excuse my potty mouth, but I have to repeat myself - EVERYONE engaged on either side of this practice is a certifiable idiot.

Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by redblacktree on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @02:18PM (#11067903)
Amoral and sociopathic maybe, but they aren't idiots.
Re:Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents by madaxe_again on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @08:48AM (#11065182)
So the bullet is responsible, not the guy who pulls the trigger?