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Re:Building a business, not just an app by charlesdm on Monday February 08, 2016 @02:12PM (#11060220)
He's clearly not delivering enough value then, or he's not focusing on a large enough target audience. He's probably also not charging enough. Every single app that I've built has easily grossed >$30-50k each in less than 6 months after launch without having to do significant marketing. And we're talking apps built in <30 days.

The app store has a massive audience; you need to focus on large enough target groups. How many people use RSS apps these days?

Now that I think about it.. I should probably write an ebook on building profitable apps from a developer point of view.

Re:Building a business, not just an app by herval on Monday February 08, 2016 @02:32PM (#11060345)
When did you build/release those apps? Were they all iOS? Do they keep generating any sort of revenue after 6 months? Any specific niches/categories you had better/worse results?
Re:Building a business, not just an app by charlesdm on Monday February 08, 2016 @02:41PM (#11060385)
Honestly; I've made money on most platforms. I've launched Android, Windows, iOS and Mac apps. As long as people are using the platform, it doesn't really matter. Smaller platforms (such as windows phone) have the advantage of less competition. I know a guy who was making $40k a month from a Palm Twitter app a few years ago.

Example: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ventrilode/id486115720. That's an app I launched 4 years ago.

It brought in hundreds of thousands and took me 2 months to develop + the occasional bugfixes and small updates. Probably 3 months of work over a 4 year period.

> Do they keep generating any sort of revenue after 6 months?

Depends on the app. In most cases, it's not worth investing an additional 2 months developing/improving an app if you can build it 1 month. Launch an MVP and see if it sells. You can always improve it then. But once you have an MVP ready, it usually doesn't take much more time to "finish" the feature set of an app. That's what great about apps; as a project they can be "finished". Some apps sell for years, others only last 6-12 months. Also, for some apps the money comes in fast, for others it's slower but they will last longer.

You just have need to find a target user group of significant size. The app I linked above integrates with a system that, a few years ago and at the time, had around 10m daily active users. It's a niche communication system.

That means a subset of those users will automatically search for your app if you get it to pop up for the expected search keywords ("app store seo"). You're tapping into that user group without having to spend a dime on marketing.

Find a user group with lots of users - people will buy your app.

Re:Building a business, not just an app by Eridrus on Monday February 08, 2016 @03:08PM (#11060540)
> Example: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ventrilode/id486115720. That's an app I launched 4 years ago. It brought in hundreds of thousands and took me 2 months to develop + the occasional bugfixes and small updates. Probably 3 months of work over a 4 year period.

That seems like a free app atm, how did you monetize it?

Re:Building a business, not just an app by charlesdm on Monday February 08, 2016 @03:12PM (#11060576)
It was a $5 paid app for about three years. Usage numbers of the communication system it was built upon went down overall (people started using alternative systems) and the amount of users went down, so I changed it to free + $5 iAP.

In retrospect, I should’ve charged $8/$10/$15 for the app. I’m 99% sure it wouldn’t have made a difference to the amount of sales, but it would have doubled my profit.

Re:Building a business, not just an app by mapmap on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @01:32AM (#11063533)
In the update, how did you continue the full functionality for the people that had already paid the $5 up front?
Re:Building a business, not just an app by charlesdm on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @06:15AM (#11064565)
Apps have a receipt attached to them with transaction information. All users who purchased the app while it was paid (date check + version check) received a free upgrade.
Re:Building a business, not just an app by iyn on Monday February 08, 2016 @02:48PM (#11060422)
I'd be interested in such ebook.

Can you/somebody recommend good sources for learning this kind of thing (building/marketing profitable apps)?

Re:Building a business, not just an app by charlesdm on Monday February 08, 2016 @02:53PM (#11060454)
Personal experiences mostly. Can I add you to a mailing list if/when I launch something? I might consider putting something together.
Re:Building a business, not just an app by Hates_ on Monday February 08, 2016 @03:21PM (#11060617)
I'd be interested in being added to that list too :)
Re:Building a business, not just an app by dyanglee789 on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @07:05AM (#11064726)
Please add me as well. Was a lurker. Made an account to be added to this list: dyanglee789 at gmail
Re:Building a business, not just an app by iyn on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:11PM (#11061247)
Sure, feel free to add me to your mailing list (mail in my profile). Thanks!
Re:Building a business, not just an app by samzhao on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @11:01PM (#11070677)
I'm interested as well! Please add my email as well. Thanks!
Re:Building a business, not just an app by brahmwg on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @10:52AM (#11066045)
+1, please and thank you. brahmwg at gmail dot com
Re:Building a business, not just an app by moshthepitt on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @03:01AM (#11063843)
Add me as well please. EBook AT Jayanoris DOT com
Re:Building a business, not just an app by morgante on Monday February 08, 2016 @03:48PM (#11060787)
Please add me to such a list. [email protected]
Re:Building a business, not just an app by alashley on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:43PM (#11061472)
Add me as well: [email protected]
Re:Building a business, not just an app by jackgolding on Monday February 08, 2016 @10:27PM (#11062855)
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Re:Building a business, not just an app by ppc-coder on Monday February 08, 2016 @11:16PM (#11063033)
I'd like to be on that list please.
Re:Building a business, not just an app by sooheon on Monday February 08, 2016 @11:16PM (#11063036)
Please add my email as well, thanks.
Re:Building a business, not just an app by iliaznk on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @12:07AM (#11063243)
Add please, iliaznk at gmail.com
Re:Building a business, not just an app by oliv__ on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @04:42AM (#11064250)
Re:Building a business, not just an app by profcalculus on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @01:46AM (#11063580)
Me too. deafcalculus AT gmail
Re:Building a business, not just an app by cezary on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @07:06AM (#11072180)
<hname>@gmail.com
Re:Building a business, not just an app by traeregan on Monday February 08, 2016 @04:27PM (#11061012)
Re:Building a business, not just an app by rargulati on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @02:58AM (#11063833)
<hname>@gmail.com
Re:Building a business, not just an app by sanmon3186 on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @01:06AM (#11063448)
+ 1. email in profile.
Re:Building a business, not just an app by charlesdm on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @06:20AM (#11064585)
Could you put it in the about section of your profile? Otherwise it's not visible. Alternatively, send me an email with your contact details. Thanks!
Re:Building a business, not just an app by sanmon3186 on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @10:44PM (#11070621)
Thanks. It is thakur.com at gmail dot com
Re:Building a business, not just an app by hyuuu on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @02:20AM (#11063693)
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Re:Building a business, not just an app by ashbrahma on Monday February 08, 2016 @11:52PM (#11063166)
+1 - email in profile
Re:Building a business, not just an app by dfischer on Friday February 12, 2016 @02:38AM (#11085812)
Re:Building a business, not just an app by lugg on Monday February 08, 2016 @06:39PM (#11061862)
email in profile, add please, thanks.
Re:Building a business, not just an app by charlesdm on Monday February 08, 2016 @06:43PM (#11061879)
The about section on your profile is empty :)
Re:Building a business, not just an app by lugg on Monday February 08, 2016 @09:05PM (#11062548)
I'm not a very interesting person.
Re:Building a business, not just an app by charlesdm on Monday February 08, 2016 @09:15PM (#11062575)
I can't actually see your email address unless you put it in the about section; e-mails in profiles aren't visible.
Re:Building a business, not just an app by rubidium on Monday February 08, 2016 @03:08PM (#11060538)
"The Lean Product Playbook: How to Innovate with Minimum Viable Products and Rapid Customer Feedback" by Dan Olsen

is a decent start.

Re:Building a business, not just an app by billconan on Monday February 08, 2016 @02:29PM (#11060326)
I'm curious about your apps. Could you provide some links.

Thanks

Re:Building a business, not just an app by charlesdm on Monday February 08, 2016 @02:41PM (#11060386)
See comment above
Re:Building a business, not just an app by billconan on Monday February 08, 2016 @04:07PM (#11060901)
How do you detect a profitable market before writing those apps?
Re:Building a business, not just an app by charlesdm on Monday February 08, 2016 @04:17PM (#11060943)
You don't look for profitable markets, you look for groups of users. Groups of people within a certain segment will generate revenue; then it just depends on how you differentiate and how much of the searches on the App Store you can capture.

A random example: there are 1.6 billion muslims on the planet. Some of those will own smartphones. Most of those read the Quran. Meaning, some of those will look on the App Store for a Quran app. If you build a good Quran app, you'll be making money. It could be $50k a year, $100k or $500k; that I don't know. But you'll be making money.

Also, don't forget, even though my apps have never been featured, Apple does actively look for good apps. That can help significantly if you build something nice. But you still need to target a large enough group of people.

Re:Building a business, not just an app by dsaravel on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @01:25AM (#11063511)
Based on that rationale, how did you come up with another app of yours: Flix? I mean, how did you figure out to create a $10 app to stream Netflix? What market would do that rather than use a browser?
Re:Building a business, not just an app by xiaoma on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @01:06AM (#11063452)
Other than your time, how much did you spend on making the apps? (e.g. graphic assets, marketing, etc)
Re:Building a business, not just an app by pc86 on Monday February 08, 2016 @02:19PM (#11060269)
You're probably better off writing an ebook on how to write an ebook building these apps.