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Re:UN panel 'rules in Assange's favour' by mrweasel on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:40AM (#11033335)
He isn't high profile because of his alleged crime though.

The amount of money they spend guarding the embassy is ridicules. A similar spending would have been accepted if it was just some random guy. The British public should furious about wasting £12.6 million trying to catch a guy that many not be guilty, or may only be guilty of something that's only rape in the Swedish sense.

Don't get me wrong, if guilty then I don't care who he is. In that case he should be punished. It's just that I don't think Sweden should be allowed to hand him over to the US afterwards.

Still the amount of money wasted trying to catch him should say something about why the UK police wants him. You simply don't spend that kind of money trying to catch a person, just so you can question him.

Re:UN panel 'rules in Assange's favour' by webkike on Thursday February 04, 2016 @09:43AM (#11034168)
Uh, what's rape in the Swedish sense?
Re:UN panel 'rules in Assange's favour' by freehunter on Thursday February 04, 2016 @09:56AM (#11034260)
Everyone consented to sex, but he said he used a condom and didn't.
Re:UN panel 'rules in Assange's favour' by tedks on Thursday February 04, 2016 @12:06PM (#11035344)
Meaning everyone did not consent to sex.
Re:UN panel 'rules in Assange's favour' by rurban on Thursday February 04, 2016 @01:45PM (#11036168)
no, not all. she consented, but was surprised that he didn't use a condom. which could be legally interpreted as mutilation or rape in sweden. she didn't interpret it as rape at all
Re:UN panel 'rules in Assange's favour' by kafkaesq on Thursday February 04, 2016 @03:54PM (#11037138)
She consented, but was surprised that he didn't use a condom.

A spin-free version of the events would be:

"She consented to intercourse with a condom, which Assange initially used -- but then he took it off without telling her."

Meaning Assange subject her to unprotected sex, without her consent.

Re:UN panel 'rules in Assange's favour' by bb88 on Thursday February 04, 2016 @02:36PM (#11036543)
It's not a crime to be sleazy in the US. Ask the Donald.
Re:UN panel 'rules in Assange's favour' by freehunter on Thursday February 04, 2016 @03:13PM (#11036815)
According to Swedish law, yes. Not necessarily according to the law in other countries. That's why it was called out that he may have committed Sweden's definition of rape.
Re:UN panel 'rules in Assange's favour' by tedks on Thursday February 04, 2016 @05:55PM (#11037946)
Rape is a legal concept, but in a larger sense it is a moral concept. This concept does not change from nation-state to nation-state and even if no country in the world defined this behavior as legal rape, it is still rape. For centuries, marital rape was not considered legally rape (it is still quite difficult to prosecute); rape that begins after sex is initiated is still not considered rape in the United States (courts have acquitted in recognition of some absurd "right to finish"); rape of men by women is still not considered rape by the FBI.

All of these legalities are irrelevant. Assange committed rape, and would have committed rape in any country. Nation-states do not define rape; moral people recognize it.

Re:UN panel 'rules in Assange's favour' by freehunter on Friday February 05, 2016 @04:06PM (#11044618)
Well fortunately/unfortunately the police do not camp outside of an embassy for years waiting to arrest someone and send them to another country for questioning because they may have broken a moral concept. They do that when there are laws being broken. So in this situation, all that matters is the law.

The question was "what is rape in the Swedish sense, and how is it different from rape anywhere else". The answer is, this type of sexual misconduct is considered rape in Sweden and not in many other places. Nation-states define laws, which is what the legal system is based off, so it doesn't matter what moral people recognize. It wouldn't have been legally rape in some other countries, and that's the answer to the question.

Re:UN panel 'rules in Assange's favour' by tedks on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @03:22PM (#11068459)
>So in this situation, all that matters is the law.

This is literally never true.

>The question was "what is rape in the Swedish sense, and how is it different from rape anywhere else".

The question I responded to was "did everyone consent to sex." That is not true regardless of what legalese you wrap it in.