Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by yardie on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @10:31AM
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We've been sailing for a little over a year now. We've encountered many US flagged boats where there isn't a single US citizen owner, captain, or crew aboard. This has been the case where the owner is Turkish, Israeli, Emirati, and lots of middle-east countries.
The super yachts still prefer to use the Marshall Islands, Caymans, or Gibraltar as their flag of registration.
Our boat is US LLC registered since my wife, a foreign national, can't be a direct owner for a US registered vessel. Nor can I be registered owner in her country as a non-citizen. So a US LLC is a convenient neutral mechanism. It's split 51/49% with me having the controlling shares as required by law.
Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by zekevermillion on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @05:05PM
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Why would you want a US-flagged boat other than patriotism? (Not being facetious, actually curious if there's a reason to prefer Amurrican to one of the more typical flag countries.)
Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by yardie on Friday January 29, 2016 @09:30PM
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Whats a typical flag country? You mean Panama, Liberia, Cayman islands? To get those flags costs thousands of dollars per year in incorporation fees. For your typical billion dollar cruise liner, or megayacht, this is a rounding error. My DE corporate taxes are $300/year. Its a bargain in comparison.
Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by rpgmaker on Thursday January 28, 2016 @11:46AM
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Watching Captain Phillips one of the things that impressed me the most was how much money and effort was put into rescuing Captain Phillips and his crew. Of course much of the pressure was political with Obama just starting out his presidency but still, it was a clear indication that it pays to be American.
Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by apaprocki on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @12:29PM
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It has been suspected that for a long time now people have been parking questionable cash into NYC real estate. Somewhat related to this, the Treasury dept. will pierce the veil of LLCs making >= $3 million cash real estate purchases and require the owner identities to be reported. I guess we'll see if that leads to new tricks...
This type of nonsense is a great example of the incredible harm done to the United States 40-50 years ago when the pro-segregation Democrats joined forces with the Western republicans (i.e. The ultra-conservative folks dependent on federal leases to extract minerals/oil/graze cattle) and took over the GOP.
Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by _Codemonkeyism on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @12:02PM
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I found "Treasure Islands: Tax Havens and the Men who Stole the World" a very interesting book on tax havens, and it made the point about the US.
I also found this idea from the book enlighting: All the tax havens around the US, they don't have 'real' banks, they put the money into NYC banks. Same with the UK: Tax havens in the cloud/former empire of the UK put the money into banks in London. The real beneficiary are not those islands, but US and UK banks.
Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by zekevermillion on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @05:09PM
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This may actually be true due to correspondent banking -- e.g., the Bank of Drug Dealers and Terrorists based on an oil rig in the Pacific may in fact be a correspondent with CitiBank (just a fictional scenario of course, I'm sure Citi would never agree to any relationship with such a sketchily named bank)
Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by _Codemonkeyism on Thursday January 28, 2016 @03:14AM
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Plainly true, those 'banks' or trusts don't have their own data centers and infrastructure where the money just 'rests' as records in databases they put it into their accounts in other banks, London banks in this case to make more money.
Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by jernfrost on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @04:40PM
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That is rich. So they US wasn't fighting the good fight here, but rather looking after itself, arm twisting the existing tax heavens so that it could become the new tax heaven!
Ah well I guess hypocrisy is something the US has mastered to perfection decades ago.
Well I hope the EU is not going to stand for this. I am tired of American bullying. Some mutual respect would be nice for a change.
Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by ethbro on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @06:54PM
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Tired of America bullying?
One of the reasons we probably didn't sign on to the treaty is because anything that sounds like UN or international agreement is toxic for roughly half of our voters.
And the primary reason for that (not completely unjustly) is the feeling that no one else will do the work if we don't. Stuff like [1] and [2] make it kind of hard to argue.
Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by yardie on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @03:58PM
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Because Spanish bankruptcy laws are anachronistic in that it kind of does not exist. If your business fails in Spain you are on the hook for entire amount. People have committed suicide over it. There was a movement to get it changed after the GFC 2008 but I'm not sure if they've been brought up to date or not.
Less risky to create a Delaware LLC, open a spanish subdivision, and if it fails no one has to sell their house.
Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by herge on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @03:18PM
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One reason may be to make it easier to raise money. Most VCs know the ins and outs of corporate law (and corporate law precedents!) in Delaware, making signing a contract there a lot easier, as opposed to learning the specificities of Spanish law.
Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by deelowe on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @05:21PM
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It's happening all over. I do a good bit of real estate investing and research on the side and foreign institutional investors have been buying up every property they can come across for years.
Re:The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
by Shivetya on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @12:20PM
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I never understood why when people cheered on the pursuit of US money in foreign banks why they never understood the big picture. The US government regardless of party is only looking after one thing, itself. While you may have talking heads sent out to decry abuse of the system they are their to misdirect. Politics wants money and not for the public coffers. While they will bleat all day how this money in foreign institutions is depriving the people and theft what they really want is control over the people who have the money so they give it to those they want it given too, themselves. It is the same when corporations sell themselves over seas, the influence factor is lost and in turn the ability to extort campaign funds
The super yachts still prefer to use the Marshall Islands, Caymans, or Gibraltar as their flag of registration.
Our boat is US LLC registered since my wife, a foreign national, can't be a direct owner for a US registered vessel. Nor can I be registered owner in her country as a non-citizen. So a US LLC is a convenient neutral mechanism. It's split 51/49% with me having the controlling shares as required by law.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/us/us-will-track-secret-bu...
Once shady money gets established in the US, you can do things like setup LLCs and trusts domiciled in South Dakota to provide multi-generational tax exemption. http://www.sdtrustco.com/About-South-Dakota-Trust-Company/Wh...
This type of nonsense is a great example of the incredible harm done to the United States 40-50 years ago when the pro-segregation Democrats joined forces with the Western republicans (i.e. The ultra-conservative folks dependent on federal leases to extract minerals/oil/graze cattle) and took over the GOP.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/congress-eases-curbs-on-foreign-...
I also found this idea from the book enlighting: All the tax havens around the US, they don't have 'real' banks, they put the money into NYC banks. Same with the UK: Tax havens in the cloud/former empire of the UK put the money into banks in London. The real beneficiary are not those islands, but US and UK banks.
Ah well I guess hypocrisy is something the US has mastered to perfection decades ago.
Well I hope the EU is not going to stand for this. I am tired of American bullying. Some mutual respect would be nice for a change.
One of the reasons we probably didn't sign on to the treaty is because anything that sounds like UN or international agreement is toxic for roughly half of our voters.
And the primary reason for that (not completely unjustly) is the feeling that no one else will do the work if we don't. Stuff like [1] and [2] make it kind of hard to argue.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations#Funding
[2] http://sites.uci.edu/energyobserver/2014/03/17/comparison-of...
Less risky to create a Delaware LLC, open a spanish subdivision, and if it fails no one has to sell their house.
And people think "whistleblowers", and "think tanks" denouncing "lack of transparency" in certain locations have only ethics at heart.