Re:Shadowy tech brokers that deliver your data to the NSA
by tptacek on Sunday January 24, 2016 @01:34PM
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Lavabit didn't refuse requests --- he had apparently been responsive to others --- until the Snowden incident, where his refusal cost all its users their privacy in a futile effort to preserve one user's privacy.
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Re:Shadowy tech brokers that deliver your data to the NSA
by forgetsusername on Sunday January 24, 2016 @02:48PM
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If they can come in at any time and say "we only want this one guy" then the rest of the users privacy is already in trouble.
Re:Shadowy tech brokers that deliver your data to the NSA
by Kalium on Sunday January 24, 2016 @05:34PM
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In a sense, yes. One of Lavabit's failings is that they didn't design for scope-limited disclosure. When the FBI demanded their certs, it exposed all their users.
Re:Shadowy tech brokers that deliver your data to the NSA
by tptacek on Sunday January 24, 2016 @06:47PM
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Don't overthink it. The failure of Lavabit was designing a system that enabled disclosure at all. It wasn't end-to-end encrypted; its users had to trust its operators, which, because operators can always be coerced, is never safe.
Re:Shadowy tech brokers that deliver your data to the NSA
by lindx on Sunday January 24, 2016 @01:50PM
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Not familiar with the lavabit story - how did his refusal cost users their privacy?
Re:Shadowy tech brokers that deliver your data to the NSA
by Tomte on Sunday January 24, 2016 @01:56PM
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He had to give up other peoples' privacy, as well.
The alternative (that the FBI demanded until he started playing childish games) was actually only handing over Snowden's mails.
Re:Shadowy tech brokers that deliver your data to the NSA
by tptacek on Sunday January 24, 2016 @03:49PM
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Which, to be clear, would still have been a disaster for Lavabit! It's not my suggestion that he should have gone along with the FBI and then continued to run the service.
But had he complied, as he was legally obligated to do, with the FBI, he could have immediately and gracefully shuttered the service without having given up the TLS keys that unlocked all communications to the site.