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Re:All Hollowed Out: The lonely poverty of America’s white w... by ams6110 on Monday January 18, 2016 @09:52PM (#10928603)
I don't like defining "success" as some kind of bare minimum. Success is, at least, being better than average.
Re:All Hollowed Out: The lonely poverty of America’s white w... by slmyers on Monday January 18, 2016 @11:51PM (#10928936)
I'm pretty sure the average American has close to no saving, the rate of home ownership is falling, and as the article states many well paying jobs are evaporating.

I think it's a fair measure of success to say that a successful person owns a house, has significant savings and a decent job. Perhaps a somewhat superficial success.

Re:All Hollowed Out: The lonely poverty of America’s white w... by sliverstorm on Monday January 18, 2016 @09:57PM (#10928615)
Agreed! Everyone should enjoy success, and success is being better than average.
Re:All Hollowed Out: The lonely poverty of America’s white w... by meric on Monday January 18, 2016 @10:11PM (#10928657)
I don't think people should build the expectation where they require "success" to be happy - that only precludes them from being happy when they're unable to become "successful", for a variety of reasons outside of their control, for example, a car accident. It matters not whether everyone can enjoy "success", it only matters that everyone feel they have had the opportunity to be "successful" and they had a solid go at it.

With this perspective, "success" can be better than average, which is what it is a lot of the times - most lotto players thinks winning the lotto is "success", and winning the lotto is by definition to achieve a financial outcome that is above the average of all financial outcomes that can occur from playing the lotto.

Re:All Hollowed Out: The lonely poverty of America’s white w... by robgibbons on Monday January 18, 2016 @10:05PM (#10928642)
If success is being better than average, then not everyone could enjoy it, or else success would just be the average.
Re:All Hollowed Out: The lonely poverty of America’s white w... by throwaway2048 on Monday January 18, 2016 @10:17PM (#10928682)
>99% everyone on earth has more than the statistical mean amount of legs.
Re:All Hollowed Out: The lonely poverty of America’s white w... by digbyloftus on Monday January 18, 2016 @11:33PM (#10928892)
Statistical mean would seem like a poor choice in determining average in that case then.
Re:All Hollowed Out: The lonely poverty of America’s white w... by pyre on Monday January 18, 2016 @10:09PM (#10928653)
I think that @sliverstorm was conveying that idea via sarcasm.
Re:All Hollowed Out: The lonely poverty of America’s white w... by zardo on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @12:50AM (#10929072)
What's the unit of measure of success? Networth-Orgasms/kgCO2?
Re:All Hollowed Out: The lonely poverty of America’s white w... by VLM on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:43AM (#10930636)
The traditional definition is something along the lines of not being a limiter on the lower rungs of the Maslow hierarchy.

Can't feel safe, or the higher levels, if you don't have the money for food or medical care, etc.