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Re:Yoda Is Dead but Star Wars’ Dubious Lessons Live On by ignoramous on Saturday January 16, 2016 @10:50AM (#10915569)
I don't know why you would think that killing innocent people isn't evil.

If you delibrately disturb harmony, or deny someone their rights, or take away something by force that isn't yours, you need to be stopped. Because one thing would lead to another and life as everyone knows it would become a living hell.

Step back and look at oppressive regimes over the course of history. They all have traces of evil in them. It's that simple. I admit that good for one might be evil for another, but there's a basic set of things, I guess, the majority can agree on about what's good and what's not.

Re:Yoda Is Dead but Star Wars’ Dubious Lessons Live On by delluminatus on Saturday January 16, 2016 @11:08AM (#10915616)
Are you familiar with the Trolley Problem? [0] It's a simple thought experiment, which is intended to make you re-think whether murder is always an evil act.

Suppose a trolley is barelling down a track towards five tied-down people. If it continues, it'll kill them. But, you have access to a lever which would send the trolley down a side-track instead. But the side-track also has one person tied to it. By pulling the lever, you are effectively murdering that helpless, innocent person -- but you would save the other five. If you don't touch the lever, then you are just an innocent bystander who happened to see a quintuple homicide.

In this case, if you insist that murder is evil, and you refuse to be evil, then you have no choice but to let the five people die. But if you allow that murder is sometimes okay -- which is a utilitarian perspective, in the sense that you care more about the ends than the means -- then it becomes much fuzzier whether murder is inherently evil. Indeed, as soon as you give an explicit definition for evil, it becomes very difficult to defend it. The fact of the matter is, the good/evil dichotomy is false and artificial.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

Re:Yoda Is Dead but Star Wars’ Dubious Lessons Live On by oldmanjay on Saturday January 16, 2016 @11:14AM (#10915641)
Philosophizing abstractly about edge cases is fun but it doesn't really offer anything useful for day-to-day basic living. It's pretty clear that to a vanishingly small gap, murder is 100% evil.
Re:Yoda Is Dead but Star Wars’ Dubious Lessons Live On by jpfr on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @04:14PM (#10934090)
Discussing edge cases is just the way to find out if a concept (either a technical model or a qualitative worldview) is generally applicable.

Especially if those concepts are touted as being all-encompassing, holding without exception or being superior to other concepts.

Re:Yoda Is Dead but Star Wars’ Dubious Lessons Live On by delluminatus on Saturday January 16, 2016 @11:18AM (#10915652)
It's true that it doesn't affect our day-to-day life. But I think it is important in the context of being an informed citizen (and, more fundamentally, an ethical person) to have an understanding of different moral systems and the philosophy of ethics. I recognize that this is a personal opinion though, so I won't try to force it on you.
Re:Yoda Is Dead but Star Wars’ Dubious Lessons Live On by raisedbyninjas on Saturday January 16, 2016 @12:06PM (#10915831)
I'd agree that there is objective morality, so people can be wrong about their own goodness or evilness. OP was saying that people are not intentionally evil, but they are often confused about what values are good. Islamic terrorists value Islamic dominion over everybody and fighting those who oppose this system can then be described as good. This is in contrast to Kylo Ren and the villains of saturday morning cartoons that we grew up with.
Re:Yoda Is Dead but Star Wars’ Dubious Lessons Live On by legulere on Sunday January 17, 2016 @08:21AM (#10919373)
The problem with the concept of evil is that it is an explanation mechanism. Sure, innocent people getting killed is something really terrible, but it's not happening because terrorists are evil. It's happening because they think they're fighting for something good. For them probably we are the evil ones and need to be fought because we're not following god's laws. Even with your reasoning you could come to the conclusion that the west is evil, as lots of innocent people were killed in the Iraq war.
Re:Yoda Is Dead but Star Wars’ Dubious Lessons Live On by Aeolos on Saturday January 16, 2016 @10:55AM (#10915585)
What if you kill innocent people in retaliation to the other side killing innocent people? As happened, say in 9/11?

Is that evil? Or is that justified?

Re:Yoda Is Dead but Star Wars’ Dubious Lessons Live On by evunveot on Saturday January 16, 2016 @11:50AM (#10915762)
I don't see a quandary. Yes, that's evil.
Re:Yoda Is Dead but Star Wars’ Dubious Lessons Live On by gelasio on Saturday January 16, 2016 @12:45PM (#10916011)
Yes people can absolutely disagree about what is good and what is innocent. For instance - are American tax payers innocent? Some people see them as empowering the world's largest imperial death/chaos/war machine.