Also I'm sorry I meant the Apple. To me they are the same computer. I understand historically they are not. I never said it wasn't expensive, even the Apple which MSRP ranged from 1,000$ to 2,000$ was still expensive but seems fairly competitive for the time. Cars are also pretty expensive tho lol. But luxury and sports cars are far outside the price-to-use range of a middle class family. A 'Apple' Computer, at least for my family, was worth it for them at that price range. A 20k car functions just as well as a 100k car, the Apple at 1k was pretty phenomenal for my mother from what she has told me.
-edit- I don't think I really get what your point is?
Nowadays Apple is an affordable car. Tesla may one day be an affordable car.
Tesla is an extremely expensive car. Especially if you consider its value-to-price.
And, obviously, different people assign different value to the car. The 97% of owners who'd buy again probably don't agree with you.
Tesla was founded on selling cars to a wealthy niche market.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors
"Tesla's primary goal was to commercialize electric vehicles, starting with a premium sports car aimed at early adopters and then moving as rapidly as possible into more mainstream vehicles, including sedans and affordable compacts"
https://www.teslamotors.com/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-... (August 2, 2006)
Let's keep Hacker News grounded in reality, please.
I looked up the price points, they are accurate... so fuck you and your condescending tone.
Another take is that Tesla is a company that's doing what it needs to, to get into a position where they can sell affordable cars to low-to-middle class people.
But damn Elon Musk, that nasty capitalist oppressor pig that abuses poor people by pricing his cars higher than they can afford, just like Motorola when selling their first mobile phone http://mashable.com/2014/03/13/first-cellphone-on-sale/ .. those filthy bastards!
Workers Unite!
I'm not sure what you mean with "value-to-price", but aren't pretty much all Tesla owners in love with their cars? They seem to be valued very highly, and considered worth the price.
My point is.
They. Are. Not. Within. The. Price. Range. Of. The. Middle. Class...
Apple. Computers. Were.
Particularly if you look at it from a price-to-value standpoint of someone balancing a budget for a car. Luxury, ascetic, and cool-factor do not play a huge roll in that. Maybe they do in your life and then you are most likely either single, upperclass, or bad with money. The first two are ok, expensive luxury vehicles are ok. Am I touching a nerve here?
Value is subjective, by the way.
That means that if a Tesla costs $70k and someone buys one, then he demonstrably values the Tesla higher than his $70k, which means it's safe to say he considers a Tesla worth the price.
> maybe even "objectively"(lol...) nicer than other sports/luxury cars
Nope, not "lol". For example, Teslas are objectively safer than other cars. That's because they can be constructed to be like that because they're electric vehicles, but that doesn't make it any less objectively true.
Also, there's no problem with someone having the money and wanting something luxurious. The fact that some people do is the reason why lots of jobs involved in serving their wants exist, which surely you'd agree is a good thing.
(So basically: Teslas getting bought for their current prices is a Good Thing for us little folks, so I'm not sure what your problem is)
> My point is. [..] They. Are. Not. Within. The. Price. Range. Of. The. Middle. Class... [..] Apple. Computers. Were.
If both of those claims are true, then you've established that "Tesla is not like Apple that way". But is that what you mean?
It seems you're more concerned with some other people being able to afford Teslas than whether Tesla is like Apple that way.
> if you look at it from a price-to-value standpoint
Again, what the hell does "price-to-value" mean?
> Maybe they do in your life and then you are most likely either single, upperclass, or bad with money.
Huh? If someone buys a Tesla, it most definitely doesn't follow that he's bad with money.
> The first two are ok, expensive luxury vehicles are ok. Am I touching a nerve here?
Did you accidentally a word there? But no, you're not touching a nerve. I'd like to have a Tesla for myself, in the right circumstances (which don't even currently apply), but I couldn't afford one anyway.
That's perfectly fine with me though. It's alright that I don't have one, and it's fine I wouldn't even have the money. It's also perfectly fine that some others do, and buy them. If that touches a nerve with you, then there's something wrong with your nerves.
The Article says Tesla is following a similar business model as Apple. I disagree, Tesla's business model, at least currently, is to sell expensive cars to a wealthy niche while Apple's business model was to sell computers to the middle class.
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> Maybe they do in your life and then you are most likely either single, upperclass, or bad with money.
There is an Or in that statement. However if someone who earns 60 to 100k buys a Tesla, then yes they are bad with money.
Weren't the first Macs really expensive too?