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Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by ilyanep on Thursday December 03, 2015 @10:45PM (#10674462)
Man, is anyone else seriously bummed out by how cynically everyone is viewing this announcement?

There's a rich guy who founded an organization, ostensibly with the hopes of doing something good with all that money that he owns. Maybe the organization doesn't go anywhere, or maybe he winds up paying less in taxes. Can't we all hope for the other side of the coin -- that he does wind up doing good for the world? Why not wait and see?

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by panarky on Thursday December 03, 2015 @10:51PM (#10674485)
> Why not wait and see?

In other headlines[1], Chick-fil-A switches to antibiotic-free chicken!! Yay, good feelings for Chick-fil-A!! (Fine print - still serving chicken chock full of antibiotics through 2019.)

Instead of honoring people and corporations today for ostensibly, possibly, maybe doing something good in the distant future, let's hold the adoration until the time that they actually do it.

[1] http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/11/health/chick-fil-a-chicken-ant...

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by muzakthings on Friday December 04, 2015 @01:41AM (#10675032)
There's nothing wrong with Chick-fil-A selling chicken with antibiotics, and there's nothing wrong with Mark Zuckerburg being clever about how he spends his money.

If you don't like Chick-fil-A, don't eat there.

If you don't like Facebook, don't use it.

If you don't like the tax code, lobby Congress or do something about it. But don't blame Zuck for being smart within the confines of the law.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by banku_brougham on Friday December 04, 2015 @01:51AM (#10675053)
> There's nothing wrong with Chick-fil-A selling chicken with antibiotics...

But there is: antibiotic agriculture is breeding bacterial resistance, and imposing huge costs on society in the form of impending epidemics of diseases that we once thought were conquered. "I'm sorry your child is dead from staph."

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by ricksplat on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:02PM (#10677447)
> If you don't like the tax code, lobby Congress

Yeah good luck with that.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by outside1234 on Thursday December 03, 2015 @10:54PM (#10674491)
The thing is, I think people are starting to see through Mark to his real motivations. The "baby announcement" was clearly written by a PR firm. It just doesn't feel genuine.

I want to believe but this does really look like a PR move / "power fund".

Here is what genuine sounds like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wug9n5Atk8c

Seriously, after watching that (jump to 3:30 to skip the Stanford rah rah stuff). It is hard to believe that Gates is not all-in on making the world better with this foundation.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by wildmusings on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:29PM (#10674617)
Given all of the hostility that's constantly directed at him and Facebook, I don't blame him one bit for running everything through a PR firm. Navigating irrational mobs is part of what PR firms do.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by kylec on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:41PM (#10674662)
He must have hired a bargain-basement PR firm, too. The best PR firms put out stuff that doesn't seem like it came from a PR firm.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by CyberDildonics on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:21AM (#10674827)
Pretty much although don't say that here, half the links are basically advertisements wrapped in articles.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by stephenr on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:49AM (#10674900)
He chose to make a public statement, no one forced him to.

Also, the hostility directed at Zuckerberg and Facebook is not "irrational". His company uses the banner of "providing internet access to all" to try to create a stranglehold on how the worlds poorest people get access to information.

That's basically Elliot Carver from 007:Tomorrow Never Dies. In case you haven't seen it and the general concept of a single company having such a massive amount of control over access to information doesn't tip you off: Carver is the bad guy in the movie.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by makeitsuckless on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:57AM (#10674925)
> the hostility that's constantly directed at him and Facebook

Methinks you are confusing cause and effect.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by jrcii on Thursday December 03, 2015 @10:49PM (#10674476)
Better a 5% chance it does good than a 100% chance it's squandered on bureaucracy and inefficient solutions to problems other tax dollars went to creating.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by jMyles on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:24PM (#10674605)
I'm surprised this isn't a more popular opinion.

Whatever ethical questions may lie in forming a "charity" with an unknown level of veracity, there are also ethical questions in giving the money to an organization that will, without a doubt, surveil, imprison, torture, and murder.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by Sideloader on Friday December 04, 2015 @02:25AM (#10675117)
Fallacious nonsense like this: "[Tax revenue is]squandered on bureaucracy and inefficient solutions to problems other tax dollars went to creating"

...is today's version of "down with the capitalist dogs; long live the proletariat and glorious socialism!" of eras past.

Global capitalism taken to its extreme is an ideology that promotes a massive transfer of power to private individuals and the dismantling of the state. Libertarianism, in other words. Unfortunately, utopian ideologies have a nasty habit of becoming tyrannical dystopias when put into real-world practice.

Extreme capitalist ideology paints government as cartoonishly hopeless and inefficient, maybe even evil, run by inept bunglers that steal our money and waste it on paperclips and perks for bureaucrats. The solution, they say, is let private for-profit business take over and watch efficiency skyrocket and costs plummet. Sounds wonderful...except it's a hopelessly naive utopian fantasy (or, depending on your outlook, a scam to transfer even more power and wealth to the world's billionaires).

My own view is that unfettered capitalism taken to its logical conclusion will result in a feudal society...or violent revolution.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by vixen99 on Friday December 04, 2015 @02:52AM (#10675173)
As against unfettered socialism which actually did in the USSR.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by learc83 on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:34PM (#10674644)
You don't think the American people get at least 5% back in value from every tax dollar collected?

Total revenue for the federal government was about $3 trillion in 2014. You don't think that the American people got at least $150 billion in value out of that?

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by username223 on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:27PM (#10674613)
> a 100% chance it's squandered on bureaucracy and inefficient solutions to problems other tax dollars went to creating.

After all, there's absolutely no chance that you are able to choose people to do thankless tasks upon which your life depends (disposing of sewage, supplying potable water, maintaining roads, ...).

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by thatswrong0 on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:51PM (#10674715)
Um those expenditures are absolutely tiny compared to the total of government spending.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by username223 on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:55PM (#10674731)
How many votes do you get toward Zuckerberg's spending?
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by robotresearcher on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:33PM (#10677670)
Which is mostly social security, pensions and the military.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by yankoff on Thursday December 03, 2015 @10:50PM (#10674477)
I think whatever good deed a person do, people like author, will be able to turn it upside down and make it look like a crime. That's just the way they like to see the world.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by stonogo on Thursday December 03, 2015 @10:53PM (#10674489)
That's kind of the point, though: there haven't been any 'good deeds'. Two things have happened so far. One is that an entrepreneur has formed an LLC. The other is he has invited charities to begin sucking up. Both of these things happen all the time. If anything, the fact that anyone has paid him any attention is a sign of optimism, because he certainly hasn't actually done anything with this plan yet.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by yankoff on Thursday December 03, 2015 @10:55PM (#10674502)
Of course, it's been just a couple of days, what did you expect him to achieve?
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by fucking_tragedy on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:22PM (#10674591)
Nothing, but it sure didn't achieve "good deed" status either like your post implied.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by rdl on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:55PM (#10674729)
It's convinced me that any public interest work like this should be done, if not covertly, at least out of the spotlight.

The shitty thing about this is that when Bill Gates (or presumably in the future, Mark Zuckerberg) donates money and interest to a cause, it has value beyond the cash itself.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by umaguma on Friday December 04, 2015 @01:07AM (#10674953)
Otherwise known as PR. Some clients need it more than others.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by mikeash on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:10PM (#10674556)
Yep, I don't get it. I don't have a particularly good opinion of Facebook, but I can't understand criticizing this charity scheme. Even if it is merely for tax avoidance, so what? That merely places him on the same level as everybody else. (Anybody here intentionally pay more taxes than required?)
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by fucking_tragedy on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:18PM (#10674580)
If the latter is true, are the praise, good feels and reputation points really called for this early on?
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by mikeash on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:48PM (#10674702)
I haven't seen any, but hypothetically speaking, those wouldn't be called for either.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by ACow_Adonis on Friday December 04, 2015 @01:00AM (#10674933)
Because that alternative, that we should simply "hope", or the idea that such should be valued at all irrespective of purely judging such on outcomes, is itself a symptom of a fundamentally sick system overwhelmed with feel good press releases and cynical marketing PR bullshit.

I don't generally go around saying: well at least I can "hope" that when I eat this burger it will give me sustenance rather than poisoning and killing me, because the later has a miniscule chance of happening relative to our everyday experience. Indeed, what a sad and desperate situation we would have to be in to say: "eat the burger, and just hope it doesn't kill you".

So indeed, needing to "hope" , or pointing out that we should "hope" wouldn't be a good thing. It is itself a symptom of a system whereby the necessity of suggesting that we should hope about a bullshit PR release in fact reveals that what we're talking about is prima facie a bullshit PR release, or at least must be assumed to be given our common experience.

Perhaps it is only right that we should not expect or place value on people "hoping", but suggest that we give praise to people, Mr Z or otherwise, when they actually do something, not when they put out a sappy marketing piece about "we're totally gonna do something 'cause luv".

Facebook already puts out motherhood statements regarding say, internet access to poor people, that myself and others pretty much deem thinly veiled self-serving bullshit.

So if anything, we should be grateful that not everyone is taken in by PR, and just say that if there is any basis to Mr. Z's philanthropic claims, then extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and when it is forthcoming, he will be given credit.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by thedevil on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:56AM (#10674922)
I'm seriously bummed. I don't trust Facebook and by extension, Zuckerberg.

But what do we lose by supporting this move? He's made charitable efforts at improving the world before, and making an announcement puts pressure to follow through.

And so what if it's vain? A person who does a good deed in vain... still did a good deed. It should be encouraged, including through appeals to vanity.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by bobbles on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:06AM (#10674769)
Don't forget about all the people that have apparently not ever done their taxes before and think that 'tax deductible' means 'discount' in some weird way.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by fucking_tragedy on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:16PM (#10674574)
Why feel good about this until you see real results?

Also, Occam's razor. People have a tendency to be selfish.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by pgwhalen on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:18AM (#10674818)
Your definition of Occam's razor here seems to be "my opinion makes the most sense to me therefore it is correct."
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by fucking_tragedy on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:28AM (#10674852)
Given the favorable tax system written by people who want to hoard their wealth and when many trusts/charities are just vehicles for securing wealth for founders' families, it is hard to believe anyone acts completely altruistically.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by aninhumer on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:12AM (#10674794)
>Also, Occam's razor. People have a tendency to be selfish.

That's not Occam's razor. People being selfish isn't a less complicated hypothesis than their being altruistic, regardless of how likely it is.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by oldmanjay on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:58PM (#10674740)
Why care at all until the results are in? All speculation is entirely baseless, and all moralizing is basically useless.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by makeitsuckless on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:55AM (#10674913)
Because the lack of credibility of someone who gets his fortune from creating a severely ethically challenged corporation?

The benefit of the doubt only applies if there is no evidence either way. We're past that.

Sure, we can hope, but there is absolutely zero reason for such naivety to be the default.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by LBarret on Friday December 04, 2015 @03:19AM (#10675232)
Maybe because his company (like google, etc) has a history of tax avoidance ? And paying tax is the first thing we do as good citizen.

Why believe a company like this ? Or the man at his head ? ( He has absolute control over FB so any decision made is under his control/responsibility. )

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by peteretep on Thursday December 03, 2015 @10:55PM (#10674499)
No more bummed out than by the negativity from the peanut gallery about internet.org.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by mhurron on Thursday December 03, 2015 @10:56PM (#10674508)
> Man, is anyone else seriously bummed out by how cynically everyone is viewing this announcement?

He's making a big deal to get a lot of publicity out of it. With that alone it's not being done just out of the goodness of his heart.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by lifeformed on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:07PM (#10674550)
So what? What if Bill Gates revealed on his deathbed that he did all his charity work only for egotistical reasons? So what? Good for him, he gets the ego boost he wants, we get a better world.

If Mark Zuckerberg puts his wealth towards the greater good, then that's good, no matter what his reasons are. Why does he get more flack for doing this than for the Walton family giving nothing to charity?

If Mark just wanted to avoid taxes, he would've done so quietly. If he's doing it for his own ego, then that's good: it means he is incentivized to be effective in his charity.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by Chathamization on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:42PM (#10674668)
Pablo Escobar donated a ton of money to the community. Should people have just praised him for that, and said that his reasons don't matter, and so what if he was donating largely to ingratiate himself into the community in order to protect himself from authorities? We can't simply ignore a person's motives.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by umanwizard on Friday December 04, 2015 @01:02PM (#10677896)
You don't need motives to explain why Pablo Escobar was a bad person even if Bill Gates isn't. Pablo Escobar killed loads of people.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by mhurron on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:20PM (#10674588)
> So what?

So I don't trust them.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by dclowd9901 on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:25AM (#10674842)
Because that would be a tacit approval of the severe imbalance of power between the haves and have nots. Shit's not right and you can't throw money (especially fake tax evading money) at it to make it go away.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by aaron695 on Friday December 04, 2015 @02:22AM (#10675111)
People are weak.

They bring down others to prop themselves up.

And simplify the world because it's easier.

What would be good is if some sort of forum could filter these simplistic cliches out and push people towards a more productive point of view.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by Involute on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:35PM (#10677684)
If HE hadn't already been so cynical with his charitable donations, maybe I'd be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, as you suggest. Donating $100 million to the Newark public school system the same week "The Social Network" was released, with nothing to show for it educationally, compels me to suspect this LLC is more about Zuck and his family than the downtrodden or whatever.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by orionblastar on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:01PM (#10674527)
Lots of rich people have hidden their wealth in non-profits or corporations as foundations to avoid paying taxes on them.

It is called a Jackie O Trust because Jackie O was famous for making such an organization and left the money to her children as tax free income after she passed away.

Almost every rich family has such a trust in their name.

It is a good PR move because it looks like they are giving back the money, when in secret they only give away a small amount of money and keep the rest in investments to hand down to their children at a future date, etc.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-09-12/how-wal-ma...

http://www.bloomberg.com/infographics/2013-09-12/how-to-pres...

It is actually using tax loopholes to avoid paying taxes to use such an organization to hide your money in it.

He did not found a charity he founded a LLC: http://www.buzzfeed.com/alexkantrowitz/not-all-of-mark-zucke...

The news media sort of reported it would be a charity but it is not. It is a Jackie O trust.

Bill Gates has his own and tried to invest $2B USD in schools: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/06/...

It failed miserably, test scores did not improve, despite trying to build better and high tech schools with smaller classes and personalized learning for each student. The same thinking that went to build Microsoft can't be used to solve socioeconomic problems because that requires a different type of thinking. Students have problems learning due to poverty, family issues, emotional and psychological issues, and other stuff. Spending the money on better schools does not address any of those problems.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by Chathamization on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:48PM (#10674700)
Zuckerberg also failed in his $100 million effort to fix Newark's schools. It's funny, because people like Gates and Zuckerberg are pushing the idea of "accountability" - if teachers can't get scores to improve, we need to fire them. Yet when they fail completely to improve things, the notion of accountability suddenly disappears, end the long list of excuses comes out.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by orionblastar on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:07AM (#10674772)
They always blame the teachers, but if the parents and guardians are not helping out with homework and support the child won't learn. If the child grows up in poverty, has emotional and psychological problems, has family issues, etc that can interfere with their learning.

Which is why teachers are against standardized testing, because it punishes them for low scores.

It is sort of like working as a programmer and having no support from management or your coworkers, being given projects that others have failed at because of how hard they are, and then being punished when it takes too long to finish or you can't get results.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by qrendel on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:40AM (#10674878)
Most of the educated blame seems to go towards the teacher's unions, which have always been heavily against accountability for teachers, in favor of seniority protections, so that the worst teachers can't be fired. Standardized testing, for all it's shortcomings, is equally bad for them, since it reflects on which teachers are the worst performing. Low testing scores due to poverty is a poor defense since such deviations can easily be controlled for, as is commonly done in statistics-based research.

Teacher unions constantly fighting to kill educational reform has been a recurring theme in most all reform initiatives, including Zuckerberg's.[1] There are numerous documentaries (e.g. Waiting for Superman, The Cartel, etc.) covering attempts at reform and how the one thing the unions will never allow is holding bad teachers accountable.

[1] http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerbergs-failed-100-m...

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by ryanSrich on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:32AM (#10674861)
Anyone with 45bn to spare should be scrutinized and examined.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by fjfjcjsnd on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:01PM (#10674525)
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by mattzito on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:13PM (#10674566)
How old was he when he said that? 18? I look back on some of the stuff I said when I was 18 and it was a lot worse than this, and I think I'm a pretty decent guy overall. Big difference between a kid right out of high school and a 30-year old.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by davnicwil on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:34PM (#10674645)
Thank you for saying this. It's so easy to criticise, judge and unfairly extrapolate based on what other people seem to have said or done according to a small, out of context quote, picture, video, etc. It's incredibly unfair and hypocritical to do so.

We all need to just admit, as you've done, that we all say and do things all the time which would paint us in a very bad light if taken in the wrong context. As an obvious example, there are things that everyone says to friends that they'd never dream of saying to their boss, or parents, or their kids' teacher, or other friends for that matter.

Judging Mark Zuckerberg based on this quote is exactly like that. He's not addressing an audience, he's not giving a considered summary of his world view or philosophy. Rather he's almost certainly joking with a friend, simply saying something abrasive just to give an impression of being confident or alpha etc, the way people sometimes do when they're joking- especially young, relatively unconfident people. We've all done that at some point.

I'm 100% certain if his mother had walked into the room immediately after he'd said this and said 'Mark! Is that what you really think, that all your classmates are.. what did you call them.. dumb fucks?' he would have apologised profusely and corrected himself, clarifying that he was simply joking and said a silly thing in the heat of the moment. Like all teenagers do. Like all humans do.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by robotresearcher on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:36PM (#10677685)
On the other hand, Zuckerberg has been richly, wildly rewarded, praised and glorified every moment since then. Where do the signals that guide improvement come from in that situation?
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by zuckerg on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:53PM (#10674721)
I'd say that all of his actions since that date have been coherent; that at every turn he has dedicated a lot of energy to destroying privacy and reframing that as promoting openness.

The prototypical example of this is the FB privacy panel which, last I checked, took more than 100 separate actions to set everything private. (making it very hard and confusing to get privacy). And there's been the incidents where FB then single-handedly undid some or all of those settings without notice.

And then there's FB's participation in PRISM starting in 2009.

he's dedicated enormous energy into destroying privacy and into selling us to others.

As such... I tend to think he'd used more nuanced language now, but I absolutely believe he is a sociopath who has created a cancerous company that makes the world a materially worse place. I absolutely believe that all of his company's actions are aligned with his 18 year old's disrespect for other people.

Some part of him is obviously a good dude... but his company is a fucking travesty.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by Duhck on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:17AM (#10674813)
If you care about privacy enough perhaps Facebook just isn't the right social network to join?

Facebook is an advertising platform, and the best one at that. It's also a place people post intimate details of their lives for others to see.

I don't know that I find fault in their ability to use that data to better target you with ads or content.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by AVTizzle on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:22PM (#10674593)
Exactly.

Even to this day, depending on who I'm talking to, I say silly things in private - things that aren't representative of who I am or my intentions in the real world.

It's not fair to look at someones private communications and judge them on it. Especially at 18. It's no way to measure a person.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by pnt12 on Friday December 04, 2015 @01:29AM (#10675003)
I get your point, but I can't help but think: we're talking about the importance of privacy regarding the founder and CEO of one of the most privacy invading websites ever. There's some irony there.

Not that this means anything - I completely agree with you - but there's something 'funny' about it.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by ekianjo on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:21PM (#10674589)
Some people change, and some others don't. Please don't assume bad people all change for the best, because it's rather the exception than the rule.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by galago on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:23PM (#10674596)
I think the reason people keep quoting this is because his maturity has caused him to quit talking about it--not quit doing it. His entire success and livelihood is the product of selling peoples personal information, often in ways that they don't understand.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by zobzu on Friday December 04, 2015 @12:34AM (#10674866)
by that rationale everything i said last year and all the shit ive done no longer matter because im 21 now. so you know, its no longer my responsibility.

yeah, fuck that logic. you're extremely responsible at 18. moreso at 18 than at 70, if anything.

Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by mattzito on Friday December 04, 2015 @07:44AM (#10675970)
It's not that it doesn't matter or that he's not responsible for his words. It's that as adults, over time, you develop a sense of perspective as your worldview broadens, and the things you believe or the way you might phrase something might be very difference once you've spent 5 or 10 years out in the world.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by zobzu on Sunday December 06, 2015 @04:50PM (#10686807)
Still responsible. Else no jail sentence should be more than 5 or 10 years either. Still failing logic.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by ionised on Friday December 04, 2015 @11:47AM (#10677345)
No, I think that very attitude has been very consistent since then and it's clear in the way Facebook operates and profits.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by fjfjcjsnd on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:17PM (#10674578)
While that may be true, he's directly calling people stupid for trusting him. That should give people at least some pause in being optimistic about his intentions.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by bjacks on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:30PM (#10674621)
Maybe you're not as decent as you think you are.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by mattzito on Friday December 04, 2015 @07:47AM (#10675991)
Maybe not! Entirely possible. How could I possibly know, though? I just try to focus on being kind and empathetic to people, supportive to my coworkers and employees, be mindful of how my actions affect others, and when I screw up, try to do better the next time. I don't think there's much more than that most people can do.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by umaguma on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:26PM (#10674607)
Wow. How many emails, pictures, addresses, SNS does he have now? And this is what made him so wealthy? Collecting personal information? Incredible.
Re:Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidanc... by yarou on Thursday December 03, 2015 @11:12PM (#10674562)
If somebody has a pattern of behavior that is unsavory, regardless of their social standing or wealth, we tend to scrutinize that person.

The same goes true of Zuck. Remember, this is the guy who not so long ago called his users "dumb fucks". I don't think that criticizing somebody is the same as cynically writing them off. It's not like this guy is a god or something.