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Re:Einstein was no lone genius by cubano on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @07:03PM (#10630577)
Einstein's big year was 1905, not 1915, and the four (five?) papers he produced during that year (one of which won him a Nobel) could easily be described as the work of a "lone genius."

He did most of work of that year while working, of course as we all know, as a patent clerk.

Obviously, no one lives in a vacuum, and all legendary geniuses stand on the shoulders of other giants, but I can't help but think this article somewhat misrepresents the reality of Einstein's world-changing contributions.

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Re:Einstein was no lone genius by yk on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @08:30PM (#10630825)
In 1905 Einstein was not only working as a patent clerk, he was also finishing his PHD thesis. (He got it for his paper on Brownian motion.) The other two papers, special relativity, for which he is famous, and the photo electric effect, for which he got the Nobel, are actually using the same trick, just take the (already existing) equations seriously. Granted that is the closest to "one weird trick" you will ever see and it is perhaps even more important for modern physics than his tangible contributions, but it is simply not the case that he was working in a vacuum.
Re:Einstein was no lone genius by vacri on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @08:46PM (#10630860)
> "one weird trick"

Reading this, I couldn't help but think "Maintain correct time in orbit by using this one weird trick discovered by a patent clerk. Click to find out how!"... :)

Re:Einstein was no lone genius by iopq on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @09:44PM (#10630986)
"Lone wolf patent clerk rewrites 10 most important physics equations. #7 will shock you!"
Re:Einstein was no lone genius by TeMPOraL on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @10:11PM (#10631053)
"This Lone Pattern Clerk Dozed Off At His Job, Dreaming About Light. You Won't Believe What Happened Next!"
Re:Einstein was no lone genius by eru on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @09:41PM (#10630976)
For the machine learning folks: http://www.oneweirdkerneltrick.com/
Re:Einstein was no lone genius by iopq on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @09:48PM (#10631003)
> You Only Learn Once: A Stochastic Weight Aggregation approach to Online Regret Minimization

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Re:Einstein was no lone genius by avn2109 on Thursday November 26, 2015 @01:17AM (#10631559)
"Newtonians HATE him!"
Re:Einstein was no lone genius by zasz on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @07:59PM (#10630765)
His work on the photoelectric effect is definitely the work of a lone genius. Is it not fair to say though, that for the theory of relativity, he had to collaborate with others? This article seems pretty exhaustive to me.
Re:Einstein was no lone genius by rewqfdsa on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @07:05PM (#10630588)
It's part of a larger push toward revisionist history in general. It's no longer correct to imagine that great people moved history through inspiration and force. Now, everything is cooperative, gradual, social, and voluntary. Today's archaeologist might find the remains of a burned city littered with arrowheads and skulls and say, "There was no invasion! This was clearly just theater!" You might see an entire civilization wiped out, a language made extinct, a change in religious idols, and a sudden decrease in the sophistication and production of pottery, and the conclusion has to be "Oh! The people of this region voluntarily absorbed the language and practice of their neighbors" and not the fucking obvious conclusion "They were wiped out and replaced." And now, there are no inventory, no inspired people, just groups and systems that at some place and time happened to squirt out relativity.
Re:Einstein was no lone genius by fsloth on Thursday November 26, 2015 @12:45AM (#10631473)
I don't think it's revisionism, more like giving flesh to the skeleton of the popular version of a markable person. No one denies that it was Einstein that published those papers.

History is quite incomprehensible without giving a social context. Genghis Khan could have not conquered without the mongols being trained in hunting and herding, thus leading to the tactics that resulted in overwhelming victories.

Einstein could not have written the papers he did without the corpus of the scientific knowledge and the people around him. It was his will that drove him forwards but to truly undertsand his conditions better we need the historical context.

Maybe a stone age Einstein would have invented bronze. Who knows. But, theory of relativity even as a concept would have been beyond incomprehensible.

People do not exist in a vacuum. The social context is the ocean, the individual is the surfer on the waves. Individual impetus drives the person forwards but if the weather is not agreeable to his ambitions he cannot surf.

Re:Einstein was no lone genius by ethnomusicolog on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @08:23PM (#10630815)
I don't know but I used to have a kind of contrarian opinion on early einstein work and I just want to share it for the sake of the discussion. When I was a child and the concept of relativity where explained to me I used to think of einstein has having done something unique in the history of mankind. But the more I started to study and really get soaked in the spirit of the time of the evolution of maths, of physics of other brilliant ideas. the more I came to think of einstein as someone how had a "strategic" action managed to leverage that to the maximum effect. Now in that light he still "qualify" as a genius but not of the lone genius kind. To draw a comparison, I 'll rather put einstein in a "zuckerberg" genius bucket than a "jeff dean" (of google) genius. It's just a picture though, so take it with a grain of salt.
Re:Einstein was no lone genius by forgingahead on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @07:17PM (#10630635)
I wish I could upvote this again. There is definitely this shift in the understanding of the world, and I believe it stems from an unwillingness to accept the cruelty of life. Accepting the harshness of the world and of human nature means also accepting the need to act in ways to survive and thrive in such an environment. Standards, dare I say virtues, have fallen to the wayside in pursuit of an easy, sedentary acceptance.
Re:Einstein was no lone genius by hsitz on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @08:21PM (#10630809)
There is no shift. The question of whether individuals are primary influence on events or whether things are "in the air" and thus almost bound to happen (albeit caused by some individual or other) has been kicked around for at least a couple centuries. Napoleon was one of early examples often used. Was he a unique individual who exerted enormous influence on course of world events? Certainly. Were conditions in the world ripe for an individual to exert forces like Napoleon did, and would someone like Napoleon have arisen if Napoleon had never been born? Also, perhaps, yes.

Evidence for the "in the air" version clearly exists in science and mathematics, where progress leads a certain direction, then a particular individual is the one who makes big advance or discovery. Often more than one person is independently making the same advance at the same time. Think of Newton and Leibniz, who independently and at same time developed calculus. Or Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace, same thing with theory of evolution. All of these guys did extremely impressive things. But do you really think nobody else would have developed calculus or discovered evolution if these guys had all died in childbirth?

I'm not saying all advancements are 100% "in the air" and that individuals basically do nothing. But, certainly, for many of these individuals -- who we (rightfully) revere -- the same advancements (or discoveries, or destruction, or whatever) would have been accomplished by someone else if they had never been born.

Re:Einstein was no lone genius by hguant on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @08:57PM (#10630888)
Right, but the conditions being ripe for a Naploean still requires Napolean. Saying that "the time was such that someone like so and so HAD to rise up" is meaningless. Nothing HAS to happen, in the realms of human behavior. People may be likely to do something, or the potential to do a great thing might be more potent at one point in time than another, but that potency still requires an efficient cause to become real. People with vision and talent and will can, and do, and have been changing the world.

If you're interested in a smarter man than me going on about this idea, I suggest you read the Foundation series by Issac Asimov.

Re:Einstein was no lone genius by akiselev on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @09:10PM (#10630917)
Perhaps the conditions being ripe for Napoleon require a Napoleank not the Napolean, which is the crux of this individual vs circumstances debate. The interesting question is whether Napoleon (or Hitler or Stalin) was a unique individual necessary for the progression of events we call history or could that role have been fulfilled by another narcissistic, paranoid egomaniac (which Napolean, Hitler, and Stalin arguably were)? Was it fate, random chance, or is it a case of the nature of those randomly in power deciding the destiny of all? We'll probably never know.
Re:Einstein was no lone genius by hsitz on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @09:41PM (#10630978)
Yeah, kind of undecidable, in similar way to nature vs. nurture debate. However, I would say that the case for scientific advancements being "in the air" and nearly inevitable is much stronger than, say, the inevitability of a paranoid egomaniac arising as a leader, rather than a more even-keeled and humane figure. Political action often seems balanced to go either way, for ill or for good, while scientific progress is in comparison mostly in a single direction, onward and upward.
Re:Einstein was no lone genius by TeMPOraL on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @10:08PM (#10631047)
I'd say that the case of scientific, as well as technological 'advancements being "in the air" and nearly inevitable' is much stronger than individuals effecting social changes. For example, Reformation happened not because of Martin Luther per se, but because of printing press that gave common people the Bible, and that spread the Luther's theses around Germany in a matter of weeks, and around the world in a matter of months (arguably, this was one of the first cases of pre-Internet outrage). If you were to remove Luther, a similar movement would likely start anyway, given that it was actually growing elsewhere in parallel! People we name and attribute changes to seem to be just puppets of the circumstances.

EDIT

Scott Alexander covers that one too:

http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/03/07/we-wrestle-not-with-fle...

Re:Einstein was no lone genius by TeMPOraL on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @09:56PM (#10631025)
The conditions require someone like Napoleon to be there, which probably applies to many people. The first one to rise up usually wins. You can see it actually pretty clearly in science - multiple independent discoveries are more common than not, leading to the conclusion that if you were to kill Einstein in 1904, somebody would have published about relativity and photoelectric effect within a year or three.
Re:Einstein was no lone genius by birbal on Thursday November 26, 2015 @05:03AM (#10632248)
An idea who has time has come
Re:Einstein was no lone genius by nrao123 on Thursday November 26, 2015 @02:27AM (#10631753)
Yes- 1905 is part of the Annus Mirabilis series because of Einstein's work

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annus_mirabilis#1905_.E2.80.93...

Re:Einstein was no lone genius by wmil on Thursday November 26, 2015 @12:10PM (#10633774)
He married Mileva Marić in 1903, who was also a physicist. At a minimum, she would have been reading his work and giving him feedback.

That really takes away from his "lone genius" status.