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Re:Microsoft, Once Infested with Security Flaws, Does an Abo... by mtgx on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:36AM (#10588234)
Too bad it's doing the opposite on the privacy front, trying to collect more data than ever about Windows users, by default.
Re:Microsoft, Once Infested with Security Flaws, Does an Abo... by scholia on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @12:09PM (#10589033)
Set telemetry to Basic, in which case it doesn't collect any data about Windows users.

This whole debate has gone overboard through an inability to recognize the difference between telemtry and "spying". For example, between counting cars (important for city planning) and numberplate recognition.

Re:Microsoft, Once Infested with Security Flaws, Does an Abo... by vox_mollis on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @03:04PM (#10590339)
This is the salient point. What good is platform security when the platform is keylogging and shipping telemetry to a third party not in your control?
Re:Microsoft, Once Infested with Security Flaws, Does an Abo... by caskance on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @04:24PM (#10590862)
Which third party is this?
Re:Microsoft, Once Infested with Security Flaws, Does an Abo... by ConceptJunkie on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:37AM (#10588247)
Not to mention the usability front. Windows is ugly and confusing. It didn't used to be so ugly and was less confusing in the past.
Re:Microsoft, Once Infested with Security Flaws, Does an Abo... by theklub on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:41AM (#10588274)
I think windows 10 is quite nice. Windows 8 is a POS.
Re:Microsoft, Once Infested with Security Flaws, Does an Abo... by headmelted on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:03AM (#10588436)
Windows 8 was great if you went straight to the desktop and never looked back. There were some terrific upgrades to the classic desktop (even the task manager got real-time graphs and proper hierarchies for the first time).

I always pictured a really talented dev team somewhere in Redmond plugging away thanklessly on things that the powers that be thought no-one cared about (like security and usability) until one day someone decreed from on high that the whole frontend would need to "beat the iPad", and it all turned to poop.

This is speculation of course, but drawn on multiple similar experiences.

Re:Microsoft, Once Infested with Security Flaws, Does an Abo... by wdmeldon on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:36AM (#10588760)
Very true. But every time I pressed the Windows key to open an application, I was reminded of the horrors that lurked outside of the desktop.
Re:Microsoft, Once Infested with Security Flaws, Does an Abo... by Sanddancer on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @06:38PM (#10591560)
Aye, but it got me really good at just typing the program name I wanted, instead of having to go poking through that pain in the ass menu.
Re:Microsoft, Once Infested with Security Flaws, Does an Abo... by digi_owl on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:03AM (#10588430)
Once i had my most used stuff either pinned or as a desktop shortcut, 8.1 was no biggie.
Re:Microsoft, Once Infested with Security Flaws, Does an Abo... by gdulli on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:12AM (#10588533)
For $3 you could get StartIsBack and you would never know the Start menu had changed since Windows 7, or the nature of the desktop vs. the tiles screen. That made Windows 8 work just fine for me.
Re:Microsoft, Once Infested with Security Flaws, Does an Abo... by wvenable on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @12:05PM (#10588996)
For free, you can use ClassicShell. I actually forget I'm on Windows 8.1 at home vs Windows 7 at work as they're almost identical.
Re:Microsoft, Once Infested with Security Flaws, Does an Abo... by ufmace on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @02:03PM (#10589927)
Or update to 10 for free too?