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Re:Arbitration Everywhere, Stacking the Deck of Justice by branchless on Saturday October 31, 2015 @12:58PM (#10483247)
They should just tell companies if they cannot describe the legal situation in under a page in a clear language for general consumer products then they cannot sell them.

Diffs won't help - the aim from version 1.0 is to obfuscate.

Re:Arbitration Everywhere, Stacking the Deck of Justice by jjoonathan on Saturday October 31, 2015 @01:22PM (#10483329)
1 page is plenty long to bury unconscionable landmines in, especially for the party controlling UX. Until courts are ready to legislate UX, the better approach is to legislatively augment the court's "soft" power to void contracts that a reasonable person would "sign" without reading. Vague as hell, yes, but it fixes the incentive landscape without leaving obvious loopholes: longer and harder to read = more enforcement risk.

Also, this principle already exists and has a decent track record. Which is why my lease is 3 pages long, simple, and relatively landmine-free (I had to initial key clauses) while my iTunes contract is 50 page long, impenetrable, and landmine rich. The principle just needs to be strengthened & applied in the tech world.

Re:Arbitration Everywhere, Stacking the Deck of Justice by mindslight on Saturday October 31, 2015 @06:28PM (#10484481)
Eh, the "vague as hell" is a huge problem. If I'm reading a contract trying to figure out my recourse and it has a bunch of unconscionable terms, then I've got to confidently know enough general legal information and applicable case law to realize what's on the paper in front of me is utter bullshit. Most likely I am going to be dissuaded from escalating (lawyer or small claims) thinking I simply have no case. Perhaps if there were punitive damages for unconscionable terms (which seems appropriate as they're essentially maliciously wrong legal advice).
Re:Arbitration Everywhere, Stacking the Deck of Justice by jjoonathan on Saturday October 31, 2015 @07:13PM (#10484631)
I'd agree, but I'm also pretty sure that it'll be a long and trying uphill battle requiring decades of waiting and several large scandals just to get the judiciary to the point of throwing them out. But I guess we can hope :)
Re:Arbitration Everywhere, Stacking the Deck of Justice by branchless on Saturday October 31, 2015 @01:24PM (#10483335)
It's simply a symptom of the wider problem that is a scourge of all our lives:

- states are on the side of corporations not the people

Re:Arbitration Everywhere, Stacking the Deck of Justice by jessaustin on Saturday October 31, 2015 @02:06PM (#10483498)
The farmer has never been "on the side" of the pigs and cattle. In precise analogy, the state has never been "on the side" of the people.
Re:Arbitration Everywhere, Stacking the Deck of Justice by jessaustin on Saturday October 31, 2015 @07:16PM (#10484640)
Wow, not many history buffs here on HN. Lots of credulous junior-high civics students, though.
Re:Arbitration Everywhere, Stacking the Deck of Justice by dredmorbius on Saturday October 31, 2015 @09:37PM (#10485064)
It's a bit more that the "the state is the enemy" line rapidly devolves to standard Libertarian bullshit.

Power begets power. Good power structures redirect that concentration and redistribute power, wealth, and means of production. The question of how to go about doing this is older than civilisation, most recent example I've come up with is from a history of Caesar Augustus, addressing the optimates and populares.

Former are oligarches, latter proles.

Guess which side's plank was "strict property rights and no debt forgivenss", and which was "structured bankruptcies, land redistribution, and affordable grain"?

It's the same strict propertarian vs. living-wage argument we're having today.