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Re:Social Anxiety by jeremyt on Friday October 23, 2015 @08:32PM (#10441943)
I've been experimenting with nootropics lately, and I think taurine and L-Theanine can help you greatly, with very low risk of side effects.
Re:Social Anxiety by jeremyt on Friday October 23, 2015 @09:52PM (#10442114)
Why the downvotes? Look them up. L-Theanine is in green tea and taurine is in red bulls. Maybe they don't help, but they noticeably reduce anxiety in me.
Re:Social Anxiety by socially-awk on Friday October 23, 2015 @10:44PM (#10442212)
You are diagnosing and recommending medical treatment to a complete stranger based on a comment on an internet forum.

Worse, you're doing so with all the experience and wisdom of an avid googler of nootropics.

Getting shitfaced on beer and Scotch works for some people as they self-medicate their social anxiety. For some people that turns from harmless social drinking to alcoholism and can destroy their lives.

In this particular case, excessive energy drink consumption (I personally tend to self-medicate with coffee to avoid the sugar in red bulls) can lead to heart attacks, high blood pressure and associated complications.

"Taurine is involved in a number of crucial physiological processes. However, its role in these processes is not clearly understood and the influence of high taurine doses on these processes is uncertain"

L-Theanine has more studies and is slightly better understood, but there still have not been full human trials and studies sufficient for you to provide medial information to a stranger.

Advancing a supplement as a cure can be harmful even if the supplement is harmless. If a person takes it for a cure instead of, say, talking to a therapist/doctor/psychologist, they could be missing out on an approach that actually DOES help. You may be familiar with Steve Jobs who delayed medical treatment for his cancer in an effort to use "alternative" cures.

Re:Social Anxiety by trentmb on Saturday October 24, 2015 @01:25AM (#10442561)
> For some people that turns from harmless social drinking to alcoholism and can destroy their lives.

What I'd give to go back five years and slap 20-year old me around...

I've turned my life around but I have zero friends to show for it- and I don't blame them.

Re:Social Anxiety by jeremyt on Saturday October 24, 2015 @01:00AM (#10442498)
Hey, you know what, it goes both ways.

Just because something is approved by the FDA doesn't mean that it's safe and effective. And, conversely, just because something isn't approved by the FDA doesn't mean it isn't safe and effective.

There isn't something magical about a clinical trial that suddenly removes all doubt about a substance. And this magical government agency isn't infallible, and has frankly made mistakes, some of them pretty major, in the past.

Let me share something with you. I've been suffering from severe RSI for close to 13 years. I've seen about five different doctors; I've had nerve conduction tests; I've had three rounds of physical therapy. Nothing works. I keep going back to the doctor, and they keep assigning physical therapy. Do you know why? Because, it's the only approved treatment that they can offer. Most of the doctors that I've seen refuse to even talk about anything else.

So I go out on my own, and I do some research, and I start trying things. Some herbal supplements, some alternative treatments. And you know what? This thing called trigger point massage therapy, in the span of about four months, improved my symptoms about 80%. I also found that B vitamin supplements helped with the nerve tingling issues. And that was several years ago and I'm still almost completely functional.

If I listened to people like you, I'd still be practically incapacitated and unable to support myself.

I think he's probably intelligent enough to look into any suggestions himself. After all, that's why people have ultimate control over their medical care. You're just being closed minded and pedantic, and your lecture on medical ethics is naïve.

So, if I may, get off your fucking high horse.

It's not like I'm telling this guy to go cut his left arm off. I'm basically doing the equivalent of telling him to go drink a bunch of cups of green tea and try a supplement of a compound that's so safe that it's approved for human consumption without a prescription. If it was dangerous, your precious FDA would yank it off the shelves in five minutes, right?

And if he tries my suggestion and it relieves his symptoms, even a little bit (even if it's placebo), then it's worth it. By all means, go see a doctor, but don't assume that doctors are all-knowing and all powerful and they are aware of and can prescribe the perfect treatment for your illness.

/edit I'll add that this is what happens when you leave mental health treatment exclusively to doctors. Hammer; nail, indeed. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/23/study-two...

Re:Social Anxiety by socially-awk on Saturday October 24, 2015 @02:07AM (#10442651)
> So, if I may, get off your fucking high horse.

You asked why the down-votes, but clearly didn't parse what I wrote.

I made no statements as to the efficacy of your proposed remedy, just that the problem is giving medical advice is dangerous, even if the substance is ultimately harmless (or even beneficial!).

There's nothing wrong with pursuing your own treatments, and I'm glad you've found things that work for you. I don't wish RSI on anyone.

It is, however, extremely wrong to give medical advice to strangers based on a single comment on an internet forum. You know virtually nothing about the individual, their symptoms or really anything at all about the specifics of the situation at hand.

Experts will want to know more about the specifics before providing advice. Fools tread where angels fear to go.

I'm sure you're in an expert in something. Whatever it is, think about the people who think they're experts in that from reading a wikipedia or newspaper article. Or heck, the newbies just starting out learning about that something. They are almost always so confident that they know the answer and share it with everyone around them. That confidence can be endearing and usually nothing horrible in consequences.

Not in the case of people's health. Consequences are too severe.

Re:Social Anxiety by jsudhams on Saturday October 24, 2015 @03:37AM (#10442801)
But should not people know what exists?, similar to the case above i had/have severe sinus almost blocked all of em. But symptoms are veery mild but all the english medical doctors (Allopathic) mentioned was that i need to go for surgey many of them not even willing try longer one week medicine where i had great releif with something like naso clear. But they would not try anything else but recommend surgery and tell me that it is not permenant cure??... so based on recommendation i tried Homeo it work only when take medicine and i did not like the achohol or similar substance in those medicines so tried Ayurvehda (did not want Siddha due to diet restriction) and took a 10 day message etc in ayuvedha medical college ($250 for 10 days can u beleive in with 2 bed and flat tv in room and neat and clean)... now i feel far beter... and have no headaches and can sleep well... yeah i think it is ok recommend but receiver should verify or go to experts
Re:Social Anxiety by lotharbot on Saturday October 24, 2015 @02:06AM (#10442643)
"Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face-to-face conversation. Avoid gratuitous negativity.

When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." "

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Social Anxiety by tamaatar on Saturday October 24, 2015 @02:04AM (#10442637)
I just want to say this is an excellent comment and puts into words what I was thinking.
Re:Social Anxiety by mcnamaratw on Friday October 23, 2015 @10:09PM (#10442151)
Some folks here use downvote when they disagree, not to indicate that something is wrong with the comment. It helps in creating groupthink, because nobody likes being downvoted.
Re:Social Anxiety by lotharbot on Saturday October 24, 2015 @02:10AM (#10442656)
pg has said on several occasions that downvoting for disagreement is OK.

Personally, I use it not for mere disagreement, but for "I want HN to have less comments like this" -- things like gratuitous errors, gratuitous negativity, unneeded incivility, empty comments like "I agree", and especially comments that just repeat talking points without adding any original thought or substance.

Re:Social Anxiety by DanBC on Saturday October 24, 2015 @04:18AM (#10442873)
He said it once. He also said that downvoting for disagreement is a problem - that's why comment scores are no longer shown.
Re:Social Anxiety by lotharbot on Saturday October 24, 2015 @06:42PM (#10445159)
He said it at least 3 times:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 "I think it's ok to use the up and down arrows to express agreement. Obviously the uparrows aren't only for applauding politeness, so it seems reasonable that the downarrows aren't only for booing rudeness."

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347 "Downvoting has always been used to express disagreement."

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691 "IIRC we first had this conversation about a month after launch. Downvotes have always been used to express disagreement. Or more precisely, a negative score has: users seem not to downvote something they disagree with if it already has a sufficiently negative score."

I'm not aware of a comment where he said downvoting for disagreement is a problem. I recall comments about gratuitous negativity, and comments about how certain excessively rude comments were getting upvoted when they should be downvoted. But it's possible I'm behind the times on that front.

Re:Social Anxiety by DanBC on Saturday October 24, 2015 @06:47PM (#10445171)
Thanks for those! I've added them to my list.
Re:Social Anxiety by Mz on Saturday October 24, 2015 @06:50PM (#10445186)
I can't cite sources, but the reason comment scores are no longer shown was because having comment scores was getting pg dragged into chest-beating karma competitions, so he hid the scores to have to deal personally with less of that. Having no scores showing prevents the scores from being a way that each "side" on an argument can keep score of "who is winning" so upvotes don't fuel those kinds of ego-based arguments anymore. It was effective in getting him what he wanted, though it was decried by many people for depriving them of information concerning comment quality that they had previously valued.
Re:Social Anxiety by DanBC on Saturday October 24, 2015 @07:03PM (#10445217)
This is the post I was thinking of:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1057347

> My plan for dealing with downvoting is just not to display points on comments any more. The hard part is that to make that work, I also have to come up with alternative ways for people to find the comments they're most interested in on big threads.

But as you say there's probably more to it than that. I'll have a noodle around with search later to see if I can find more.

Re:Social Anxiety by Mz on Saturday October 24, 2015 @07:12PM (#10445238)
I am really, really terrible at finding things on HN, but I am inclined to remember things about social dynamics. Somewhere, he said something to the effect that he is being dragged into these arguments fueled by upvotes less often, so he feels that comment scores being hidden was successful in getting him what he wanted because he was spending too much time on that, so, no, comment scores are not likely to come back. You might look for some kind of follow up question of the Ask PG variety where people were hoping he would bring them back. It might have been something like that. (/Real hand wavy clues -- enjoy the hunt.)
Re:Social Anxiety by yarou on Friday October 23, 2015 @11:44PM (#10442342)
I wouldn't go so far as to say the fear of being downvoted leads to groupthink.

I mean, why would you care if someone disagrees with your comment? That really wouldn't lead you to self-censor.

Unless you had something important at stake, like reputation, which would only happen if your handle on here was linked to your real life name.