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Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by pierrec on Friday October 16, 2015 @02:25PM (#10401166)
It's interesting to see the moral ambiguity in this, in the comments and in the article itself. Perhaps the comment with the rarest insight of empathy is the one by Matthew B.:

"The people who conduct this type of crime often think of it as justified. After all, Americans are rich aren’t they? How could it hurt them to lose some money? We are poor, if they won’t share, we’ll just take it. We will make them share!

They think of it as a game. A lucrative game in which they get to win over and over again. Even those of them who may be kind to their friends and even generous with those they love, don’t really see their victims as people. Not being a member of their group makes the rest of us not quite human.

This type of tribal thinking isn’t as uncommon as you might want to believe. I’ve seen it here in the US over and over during my lifetime. Most people who suffer from it don’t consider themselves evil. They just consider the rest of us their lawful prey.

We tend to feel otherwise. Thanks for the great work Brian."

What I find a bit crass is the sensationalistic complete disclosure of identity employed - going all the way to the classical mugshot. All of this will certainly not help for Fly's later reinsertion, say, when he decides to get a job in IT. And I'm not playing devil's advocate here, it just seems to me that the author is pushing aside his inner moral voice in order to write a more viral article. Justice is taking care of prosecuting the criminal, but let's push him further down if it can attract some pageviews. I suppose I'm simply being bitter about journalism, though.

Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by tptacek on Friday October 16, 2015 @02:27PM (#10401178)
You are complaining that Krebs doxxed a credit card scammer who tried to frame him for dealing heroin?
Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by pierrec on Friday October 16, 2015 @02:48PM (#10401317)
Framing someone for dealing heroin is criminal and morally terrible. The guy's certainly paying and going to prison for it, and for his other crimes. This is justice doing its job.

The question that I'm trying to ask is whether public shaming, especially to such a large audience, is really a civilized response. The consequences are also devastating, and reduce the possibilities of getting a second chance at life, something that I strongly believe in.

Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by CPLX on Friday October 16, 2015 @03:21PM (#10401475)
> whether public shaming, especially to such a large audience, is really a civilized response.

This concept is also often referred to by it's more common name: "journalism"

Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by neckro23 on Friday October 16, 2015 @04:15PM (#10401738)
I've been pondering this distinction lately. We recognize that doxxing, etc. are Definitely Bad Things but that's exactly what journalists have always done.

It's a matter of degree and intent, of course, but there's an awfully blurry line in-between.

Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by CPLX on Friday October 16, 2015 @04:42PM (#10401897)
The difference between "doxxing" and "journalism" can indeed get blurry every once and awhile[0], but it's usually not that hard to figure out.

Journalism is newsworthy and has the intention of informing people in the public interest, doxxing is typically not newsworthy or in the public interest and has the intention of harassment or intimidation.

[0] http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/gawker-slammed-for-story-out...

Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by tptacek on Friday October 16, 2015 @02:53PM (#10401333)
The real world isn't Reddit. There is no "no-doxxing" rule in reality.
Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by nkurz on Friday October 16, 2015 @03:06PM (#10401398)
Pierre isn't complaining that a "rule" has been broken. He's asking about the future benefit or harm to society caused by the public shaming.

If 'Fly' isn't going to be put to death (I don't think you are arguing for that?), there's a likelihood that someday he will emerge from jail and be expected to re-enter society. Pierre's question is whether the treatment of 'Fly' now puts the world in a better or worse position at that future point.

I think it's a legitimate concern, although I think the 'public shaming' is going to have much less impact than the years spent in foreign jail living only among other criminals. It doesn't strike me as likely that he will be in a position to re-enter society having seen the flaws of his ways.

Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by Retra on Friday October 16, 2015 @04:10PM (#10401713)
If he's going to successfully re-enter society, one would imagine he would have to actually be ashamed of what he's done.
Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by breischl on Friday October 16, 2015 @04:01PM (#10401668)
It's not like the prosecution would've been secret if only Krebs had kept his mouth shut. The indictment and eventual verdict are public, and probably Google-able. It will show up in criminal records searches, just like it would for anyone else who had been at the sharp end of the justice system.

At worst Krebs raised the guy's profile a bit. But when he gets out of prison in 20 or 30 years it won't make much difference.

Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by walshemj on Friday October 16, 2015 @04:14PM (#10401734)
Public shaming this isn't some naughty child in a cute 50's Norman Rockwell painting
Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by chiph on Friday October 16, 2015 @04:21PM (#10401770)
More than likely it's pour encourager les autres.

After all, they messed with his family by sending the flower arrangement to his door. A public warning not to mess with him would seem to be appropriate.

Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by ceejayoz on Friday October 16, 2015 @02:38PM (#10401251)
> All of this will certainly not help for Fly's later reinsertion, say, when he decides to get a job in IT.

Maybe he should find a career that's less likely to offer tempting access to other peoples' private information next time?

Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by fsloth on Friday October 16, 2015 @02:42PM (#10401281)
Theoretically, that shipment of heroin could have ruined his and his wifes life for good.
Re:Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S by dec0dedab0de on Friday October 16, 2015 @04:35PM (#10401845)
I dunno, he picked a fight and lost, and besides that carders are just generally scummy. If it were some kid who was only guilty of breaking into corporate/government systems for the heck of it, then I could see your point.