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Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by rdtsc on Saturday October 10, 2015 @12:18AM (#10364500)
> What is out of the ordinary is the public markets' reaction?

But is it? Maybe the public is realizing that tweets were just a cool fad for a while. For twitter to be profitable, I am guessing, there has to be people that want to use it, and (very important) people believing that people want to use it (so they'd pay Twitter for advertising).

Compare with Google. Google provides something momre back (gmail, search, calendar, docs, photo storage, directions + many other things I forgot about).

Twitter provides 140 status messages. There is nothing wrong it, that is very cool. But I think there is a realization that it just isn't as cool as it was in 4 years ago. And it just became 3% less cool.

Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by jacobwcarlson on Saturday October 10, 2015 @01:01AM (#10364569)
> Twitter provides 140 status messages. There is nothing wrong it, that is very cool. But I think there is a realization that it just isn't as cool as it was in 4 years ago. And it just became 3% less cool.

I can't tell if you're being ironic or facile, but Twitter has become quite a bit more than "140 status messages"(sic). It's a medium where politicians, dissidents, celebrities, the hoi palloi, brands, and anarchists all interact. Its a place of record quoted in headline news briefs and long-form journalism. It is used to organize rebellion and restricting access to it is viewed by many as a human rights violation.

Twitter as a business has problems, but being a fad isn't one of them.

Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by scrollaway on Saturday October 10, 2015 @03:39AM (#10364830)
> being a fad isn't one of them.

I'd heavily disagree with that. The fad's not over, but it is a fad. The reason it sticks around is that people have an easy way to communicate with celebrities/popular people, and that was certainly not twitter's goal. The moment something better for this comes along, the fad will quickly fade.

Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by exstudent2 on Saturday October 10, 2015 @01:19AM (#10364605)
They no longer allow sign ups via Tor, so I don't think it's as dissident friendly as it used to be.
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by mschuster91 on Saturday October 10, 2015 @04:06AM (#10364866)
That's more due to stupid retards abusing tor for spamming... with tor you have to draw the line somewhere.
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by gaius on Saturday October 10, 2015 @03:41AM (#10364836)
... in messages of 140 characters designed to provoke outrage and retweets, not to engage meaningfully with any of the complex issues of the day.

Their entire userbase could do a MySpace overnight.

Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by roye on Saturday October 10, 2015 @09:29AM (#10365440)
Twitter is actually becoming quite popular in science. It's a great tool to hear of new papers, find out about new findings reported in conferences you can't attend, and communicate in a public forum. Don't think you would have had much of that in MySpace...
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by nsgi on Saturday October 10, 2015 @09:55AM (#10365522)
> restricting access to it is viewed by many as a human rights violation.

Restricting access to any website (except in some extreme cases) is viewed by many as a human rights violation. I don't see how Twitter is unique in this respect.

Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by tomjen3 on Saturday October 10, 2015 @05:18AM (#10364970)
Don't make the assumption that because you don't like, or see any use for, a particular product other people won't.
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by mrweasel on Saturday October 10, 2015 @09:27AM (#10365431)
While I agree with you, with Twitter the opposite seems to hold true. Many people like Twitter and see it as an integrated part of how they work and interact and that has driven the evaluation of the company. Not once has I heard anyone in the tech press or end in the financial news question Twitter.

Twitter should never have been a publicly listed company. They don't have a business plan, there was never any prof that they would be profitable. But Silicon Vally types, news media and bankers liked using the platform so: hey presto Twitter is a billion dollar company.

Twitter could be profitable if each user paid just $10 per year, but sadly I don't think people like it enough to pay up.

Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by joshkpeterson on Saturday October 10, 2015 @12:54AM (#10364558)
I don't know, I'd be willing to bet twitter usage is up compared to 4 years ago. Also, stock price != coolness, and further coolness != making more money. Isn't that what this story is about?
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by bandrami on Saturday October 10, 2015 @01:30AM (#10364622)
But then again stock price != making more money. Particularly for non-dividend-paying firms.
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by sinxoveretothex on Saturday October 10, 2015 @02:03AM (#10364664)
Would you care to expand on this one?

It seems to me that stock price is correlated with more money: if I have X stock options worth Y dollars each, I effectively have X*Y dollars worth of stock. If stock price increase by 1 dollars, I have X dollars more than I did before. No?

Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by dragonwriter on Saturday October 10, 2015 @05:29PM (#10367080)
> It seems to me that stock price is correlated with more money: if I have X stock options worth Y dollars each, I effectively have XY dollars worth of stock

Sure, but the "market" price of stock isn't really the value of every* share, its roughly the marginal price of the last/next share purchased or sold, but the more you want to trade, the farther from the market price the value will be.

And changes to the market clearing price don't tell you about changes to the supply and demand curves, just where they intersect. So, for any but a small quantity of stock, you can't tell what the real change in the realizable value of your holdings is just from the change in the market price, since there's no guarantee that a change of $1 in market price equates to a change of $1/share in the price you'll get if you try to sell a particular quantity of a stock.

We tend to ignore that when placing a valuation on a portfolio because if you don't ignore it, you can't get a valuation. But those valuations are approximations, at best.

Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by nikanj on Saturday October 10, 2015 @03:23AM (#10364804)
I think they mean the stock price of the company is not well correlated with the amount of money the company is making
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by bandrami on Saturday October 10, 2015 @09:58AM (#10365531)
If stock price increase by 1 dollars, I have X dollars more than I did before. No?

No. Only if you sell it right now. A lot of problems come from people thinking stocks are more liquid than they are.

Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by blumkvist on Saturday October 10, 2015 @05:14AM (#10364963)
Apple often beats expectations and trades lower after the earnings call.
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by forgetsusername on Saturday October 10, 2015 @08:20AM (#10365288)
No, Apple often outdoes its previous quarterly results, but fails to meet lofty analyst expectations, so its price falls after earnings.

Exceeding expectations with a price drop afterwards is inexplicable.

Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by dnr on Saturday October 10, 2015 @04:59PM (#10366980)
I think I remember that happening to Google at least once. There are expectations and "expectations". Analysts' published expectations are often different than the ones they believe privately, and the expectation might be to exceed the "expectation".
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by dragonwriter on Saturday October 10, 2015 @05:16PM (#10367042)
Beating published analyst expectations isn't the same as beating the actual expectations of investors. One might reasonably expect the actual market expectations to be loosely correlated with analyst's published expectations, and they probably are, but its probably only loosely correlated.
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by rdtsc on Saturday October 10, 2015 @01:46AM (#10364646)
> bet twitter usage is up compared to 4 years ago.

It probably is. But probably not as much as everything believed it would be.

Coolness is about making money in case, but indirectly. If investors see others not being interested in Twitter and not regarding it as cool, they will pull out. I understand Twitter's primary revenue tool is advertisement. That requires users to advertise to.