Re:Why Do High-Frequency Traders Cancel So Many Orders?
by yummyfajitas on Friday October 09, 2015 @09:45AM
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The author put "front-running" in scare quotes for a reason. See footnote 6, where he explains he's using the term in the Michael Lewis/IEX sense.
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Re:Why Do High-Frequency Traders Cancel So Many Orders?
by elecengin on Friday October 09, 2015 @09:47AM
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Agreed. Matt Levine is one of the few commentators that fully understands market microstructure. The Bloomberg View linked in a different comment (by John Arnold) is horrible with terminology, though.
Re:Why Do High-Frequency Traders Cancel So Many Orders?
by philipov on Friday October 09, 2015 @09:52AM
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Doesn't the fact that he understands, and intentionally uses pejorative language make him dishonest?
Re:Why Do High-Frequency Traders Cancel So Many Orders?
by evanpw on Friday October 09, 2015 @09:57AM
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"Scare quotes ... may be used to imply that a particular expression is not necessarily how the author would have worded a concept."
Re:Why Do High-Frequency Traders Cancel So Many Orders?
by aaronchall on Saturday October 10, 2015 @09:23PM
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Scare quotes are also bad composition. Since the author is the author, the author should word concepts correctly and take full responsibility for word choice.
Re:Why Do High-Frequency Traders Cancel So Many Orders?
by philipov on Saturday October 10, 2015 @10:22PM
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Not only that, scare quotes are often used precisely to misrepresent an idea and then avoid responsibility for it, which seems like a pretty dishonest rhetorical strategy to me.
He's technically "not lying," but many people won't notice the footnote nor appreciate the difference. All they will hear is "front-running == should be illegal"
Re:Why Do High-Frequency Traders Cancel So Many Orders?
by mkinitcpio on Friday October 09, 2015 @09:53AM
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Ah, I read that but didn't parse it as the author trying to make the distinction between (misnamed) "front-running" and actual front-running.
Probably still worth pointing out, since one of the activities is illegal and harmful (uses non-public information) and the other is just reacting quickly to the public market information.
Re:Why Do High-Frequency Traders Cancel So Many Orders?
by yummyfajitas on Friday October 09, 2015 @09:57AM
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I subscribe to his column and I've read his criticism of Michael Lewis/IEX, so his snark is obvious to me. But I can see how this article in isolation might not convey that.
Re:Why Do High-Frequency Traders Cancel So Many Orders?
by w23j on Friday October 09, 2015 @11:23AM
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Yep. Levine's opinion of using the term "front-running" like that is made more explicit here: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-07/can-you-rea...
Liberately quoted:
'[...] man, remember when "front-running" meant something? [...] But then came "Flash Boys," [...] And now, basically any time anyone trades on public information before someone else, it's "front-running," [...]'
Re:Why Do High-Frequency Traders Cancel So Many Orders?
by KMag on Friday October 09, 2015 @01:56PM
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Perhaps it's time to start calling what Michael Lewis mislabels "front-running" as Lewis-running.
Re:Why Do High-Frequency Traders Cancel So Many Orders?
by Rimpinths on Friday October 09, 2015 @10:48AM
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I've seen this type of behavior described as "order anticipation", which I think is a much better term. "Front running" means that you are using confidential information that an order will be submitted. "Order anticipation" means that are you using public information and you are anticipating that an order will be submitted.
Re:Why Do High-Frequency Traders Cancel So Many Orders?
by jameshart on Friday October 09, 2015 @10:27AM
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One of Matt Levine's consistent themes though is that there is often a very fine line between 'just reacting quickly to public market information' and illegal insider activity, so the scare quotes may be intended to imply a degree of 'you decide if you think this is completely above board'.
Re:Why Do High-Frequency Traders Cancel So Many Orders?
by hueving on Friday October 09, 2015 @12:03PM
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No, there is rarely a fine line. It's a very obvious line of "are you trading on information on the market". An HFT doesn't even have the ability to front-run unless they are also providing a brokerage service.