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Re:Medium Raises $57M by rm_-rf_slash on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:18PM (#10293274)
Does anybody here post regularly on Medium? Can anyone name off the top of their heads their favorite writers on Medium? Would anybody pay for Medium?

I like Medium as a platform but there doesn't seem to be much beyond the occasional interesting essay or startup humblebrag puff piece about why culture is more than free donuts or whatever.

My problem with Medium is there is no way of establishing a reputation for quality. If everyone can post there then you're gonna run into some garbage, no matter what the sorting algorithm says are the "hot" stories. So without site wide quality control all it'll take are a few bad articles to bring down the perceived average quality.

So then what's in it for the writers? Build up an audience on a convenient, erm, Medium, then...leave? How else will they make money?

Re:Medium Raises $57M by ngoel36 on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:46PM (#10293442)
Look at the front page on HN. At any given time, at least 2-4+ of the top 30 posts are written on Medium. There doesn't have to be a rhyme or reason (why did people gravitate to WhatsApp or Slack, when hundreds of others existed before them).

Medium, in my mind, faces the same problem as YouTube did (still does). Their entire growth potential is subject to them transitioning from a content hosting platform to a content destination. YouTube will not survive if it remains a portal for people to link & host videos or search for specific pieces of content. They must train users to browse YouTube.com (as one does Facebook) and rely on it for consistent content delivery. Amazon has managed to do this. Medium will have to do so as well. Once they have their users captive, they can offer many VAS ranging from sponsored posts to premium pay-per-read content.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by benjaminjackman on Monday September 28, 2015 @06:14PM (#10293574)
I was starting to use YouTube like that until they went and totally hosed all their subscriptions to be based on some sort of algorithm that rarely shows me what I want to see.

I had organized my subscriptions into a series of groups, which was a pretty hidden feature that they subsequently removed.

I have since replicated that by putting everything into a series of folders in the google replacement RSS reader, innoreader, I have been using.

YouTube sort of gets me to stay on the site by autoplaying vaguely similar videos and randomly inserting totally off topic videos that match my previous viewing history.

I feel like this scatterbrained approach to throwing videos at users does very little to foster go to the site out of the blue habituation, though it does make the site somewhat sticky once you are there.

I don't know if Medium can do anything similar to get the habituation working, maybe and editor's choice curation system, but that seems to fail compared to aggregators like HN or reddit. They could probably promote some stickiness by appending full stories right at the bottom of existing ones via infinite scrolling, if that even works better than just having the typical 'click here to see the top 10 secrets of X' junk at the bottom.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by iraphael on Monday September 28, 2015 @09:13PM (#10294212)
Youtube also faces a big challenge with incentives IMO. Obviously discoverability of videos matter. But depending on how the decision to feature a video is made, Youtube can (and has) incentivized content creators to change their content to fit that box. It's the reason why most videos in my front page are click bait, with really obnoxious thumbnails, and a lot of times with all caps titles.

Here's a video by a youtuber about all this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm-Jjvqu3U4

I believe the idea of moving towards a more AI/ML based recommendation system is interesting because it frees Youtube from the burden of defining what is worthy of being featured (and featuring everything that's relevant to each particular user). In a way it could democratize content discovery. But I don't see it working as well as it could be.

I have a feeling that Youtube may want to be able to promote certain youtube "stars" because, let's be real, they are the ones driving revenue. But I chose to believe a world where content discovery is more fair is possible.

I will say that this has less to do with the shitty way subscription works nowadays. The idea behind that is: if users want to follow certain creators, they should be able to. Moving that towards a AI/ML system seems just inefficient at achieving that goal. I don't know the rationale behind the decision here.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by rasz_pl on Monday September 28, 2015 @11:20PM (#10294524)
Sounds like you need YouTubeCenter
Re:Medium Raises $57M by Kiro on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @02:46AM (#10294917)
> They must train users to browse YouTube.com (as one does Facebook) and rely on it for consistent content delivery.

I thought that had already happened. That's how I use YouTube and I know the younger generation is doing it as well.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by wodenokoto on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @03:12AM (#10294973)
Younger people do that. Clicking around the recommended videos right hand column is the modern day channel surfing
Re:Medium Raises $57M by GrinningFool on Monday September 28, 2015 @08:30PM (#10294088)
Look at the front page on HN :

More relevant is how often you come across Medium articles outside of the context of HN - occasionally via twitter, and that's about it.

Still, they must have been able to show something is going right.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by ThomPete on Monday September 28, 2015 @08:26PM (#10294070)
Wait but isn't YouTube actually profitable?
Re:Medium Raises $57M by tim333 on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @10:16AM (#10296424)
Apparently "YouTube’s bottom line is “roughly break-even” (WSJ Feb 2015). I'm not sure the answer is to get people to go to youtube.com. I use it all the time and I hate that stuff. To make money they probably need to get a little more intrusive with the advertising.
Re:Medium Raises $57M by minimaxir on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:22PM (#10293299)
Medium is for people who think they are insightful because they see other people using Medium, but they actually aren't insightful at all.

That isn't sardony. There are many startups/VCs who use Medium solely because they want to be "thought-leaders" unironically. As a result, the quality of Medium posts is highly variable.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by volaski on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:26PM (#10293322)
Medium is mostly "Rambling", that's my impression. That's what happens when you give distribution channel to bad writers who think they're a kickass writer--they go on and on and on without any essence. Just because they have many followers imported from Twitter doesn't mean they're good writers. A lot of times I run into some 10 page article on Medium that doesn't have any essence, and the more I run into these the more I pass on Medium articles when I come across them.
Re:Medium Raises $57M by kkhire on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @10:34AM (#10296555)
nobody is asking you to read them though -- the only way you get better at writing is to write. If after writing a couple duds they get better, then the statistics will let them know that more people are reading it.

I think medium is an excellent service. the trending articles definitely needs work though

Re:Medium Raises $57M by volaski on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @03:39PM (#10298981)
I am not talking about quality of writing. I'm talking about people who think they're experts at something but actually have no idea what they are talking about. No matter how good you get at writing, an idiot is an idiot. Plus, huge chunk of Medium posts are self promotion disguised as an "insightful post". I am not trying to discount what Medium is trying to achieve, nor saying the platform sucks. I just think the format and structure of the platform encourages a lot of shitty people to try to take advantage of it.
Re:Medium Raises $57M by ThomPete on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:26PM (#10293323)
I started writing on medium and I really have to say its quite good. My original post is on my own domain using wordpress but I have been thinking about having my domain forwarded to my medium publication instead as I really like the live writing tool. It really makes it so much easier to write and have people help you out proof reading and so on. Very easy not complicated setup and easy commenting etc.

I also like that you can easily have your essay included in other peoples publications [1] or ask if you can include someone elses in yours.

I would pay for access to good publications but I am not really your average user.

[1] https://medium.com/swlh/the-problem-with-problems-47ee63bb35...

Re:Medium Raises $57M by e12e on Monday September 28, 2015 @07:58PM (#10293967)
I think Medium makes incremental improvement(s) over some alternatives. I'm not sure if the sum of those improvements will mean Medium will turn a profit, grow or survive, but here are a couple of thoughts:

Medium is content-first. All blogs should arguably be content-first, very few are. Most wordpress blogs a) look like crap, b) obscures content, and c) renders slow, in order to accommodate the design that contributes to a) and b).

I'm not a writer, but from what I understand, the back-end is also content-first, writing first -- simple, elegant, no clutter.

The lack of theming is a bonus. Just as design/layout of an essay in New York Magazine is largely out of your hands, and taken care of by the publisher, so it is with Medium. Evidence suggests that the vast majority of writers are better off that way (see point above).

Ghost and many of the static site generators offer similar benefits, but with some caveats: they all need theming, and I'm not sure if any of them really come with something that in sum is as good as/better than Medium. Personally I think even Medium is a bit heavy -- but it is way better than then current mess that is Blogspot.

If your goal is to write/publish and not worry too much about design/layout you could do a lot worse than Medium. Many do.

I wouldn't be surprised if Medium differentiated/launched curated sub-sites/"magazines" that featured content from Medium. They could have some premium stuff that is authored by only paid authors, mix and match, and have a X articles/month-for-free model a la New York Times etc.

If the can get a large number of writers, and a large sub-section of good/great writers -- monetizing shouldn't be that hard. I hope. And I'm guessing that's what the investors hope too. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Medium turns out to be one of the first "native digital" publishers -- embracing the strengths of digital distribution, rather than fighting it. Eg: maybe people are willing to pay for content, and one can simply rid oneself of the dependency on advertising.

We'll see.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by ThomPete on Monday September 28, 2015 @08:25PM (#10294066)
Couldn't agree more on everything.

I don't think Evan have a good track record of turning startups into profitable businesses, but he does have some great product ideas.

I really hope this one will be good for him but like you I have my doubts.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by zyxley on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:48PM (#10293455)
Yeah, I don't know if I'd pay for access to anything on Medium, but the writing tools, commenting, cross-publication management, etc are good enough that I'd easily consider paying some nominal amount to run a site on it, presuming it came with site-specific branding, some ability to make static pages separate from articles, etc.
Re:Medium Raises $57M by Cmccann7 on Monday September 28, 2015 @06:06PM (#10293531)
I've been using Medium for writing, recently with the notes from the Stanford 183C class taught by Reid Hoffman > https://medium.com/notes-essays-cs183c-technology-enabled-bl...

From the writer's perspective: 1) interface is clean and easy to write on - easy to format things, embedd video, embedd pictures, etc 2) easy to share drafts and get edits from others 3) 5%-10% of traffic comes internally from medium.com, so helps with distribution 4) SEO's well and works out of the box without me having to set anything up.

PS - I work at Greylock Partners which invested in Medium but I didn't have any say with the investment decision nor do I have to use Medium. I just like writing on there.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by leroy_masochist on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @10:01AM (#10296328)
Whoa, there's a new CS183? Awesome! I completely missed this until now.

Just read the notes from the first two classes. I think you are doing a great job of carrying on the Blake Masters tradition of accurate, well-organized, easy-to-read notes. Please keep it up, and thank you!

Re:Medium Raises $57M by NullCharacter on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:21PM (#10293295)
I was a huge fan of /war-is-boring (and could name a bunch of authors), but they moved to their own dedicated site with crappy liveleak-esque ads.

C'est la vie.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by rm_-rf_slash on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:23PM (#10293309)
Hah, I'm glad you mentioned War-is-boring because they're literally the only section I remembered by name and, same, once they were off doing their own thing, I didn't follow. I imagine we're not the only ones.
Re:Medium Raises $57M by austenallred on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:24PM (#10293310)
I can't think of anyone I religiously read on Medium, but I find interesting and insightful stuff that happens to have been written on Medium all the time.

Actually, I think that's kind of the point.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by 2mur on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:39PM (#10293409)
The only one I can think of without actually going to medium and digging through posts is Steven Levy.

But I like the curated front page/top articles. I will go there to specifically check that page out when I have a spare moment.

There's probably a price point that I would pay to have that list sent to my inbox daily.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by Nadya on Monday September 28, 2015 @06:09PM (#10293557)
>Build up an audience on a convenient, erm, Medium, then...leave? How else will they make money?

Exactly! :)

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/war-is-boring-is-moving-417...

Re:Medium Raises $57M by rokhayakebe on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:59PM (#10293507)
I do not know the name of a single writer at Medium, NYT, FT, WP, LAT. As a matter of fact I do not know the name of any writer at big publications.