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Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by gaius on Sunday January 03, 2010 @01:46PM (#1028847)
I can guarantee that for the $1Bn Sun's shareholder's paid him for it - 14% of the total price Oracle is paying for all of Sun - Monty could buy MySQL back from Oracle and do with it as he pleased. So why doesn't he?
Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by staunch on Sunday January 03, 2010 @02:23PM (#1028923)
You have no way of knowing that. Ellison could view even $2 billion as a small price to pay for owning MySQL. MySQL has been a thorn in his side for years, and now he owns it.
Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by rbanffy on Sunday January 03, 2010 @02:27PM (#1028930)
Great. Ellison owns a piece of software anybody can fork and use as GPL!
Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by nailer on Sunday January 03, 2010 @02:41PM (#1028965)
He owns the brand, and controls the direction of the product bearing that brand.
Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by gaius on Sunday January 03, 2010 @03:00PM (#1029005)
Which means nothing really. If Monty announces that MarisDB is "the real MySQL" everyone who's ever heard of MySQL will go with him. Everyone else probably doesn't even know what database is under their company's data.

All Sun got for their $1Bn was the domain name mysql.com...

Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by seldo on Sunday January 03, 2010 @03:39PM (#1029089)
I really don't think that's true. The "average" MySQL user has never heard of Monty -- I used MySQL for more than a decade before I heard the name of its inventor.

MySQL's battle for the last decade has mostly been getting enough brand recognition that corporate environments consider it a serious, practical alternative. The brand IS the value of MySQL: it is a promise that the technology has been worked on by serious people, and will continue to be patched and improved for the forseeable future (however realistic that promise turns out to be).

Starting again with a new brand is possible, but by definition it would be a new company which would have to prove its chops and its longevity all over again.

Losing the MySQL brand would be a serious setback to MySQL adoption in corporate environments, and thereby a setback to the amount of money that gets invested in improving it. It is in the interests of all users of MySQL that the brand remain trusted.

Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by jacquesm on Sunday January 03, 2010 @11:31PM (#1029766)
Monty did not 'invent' mysql, it is a partial implementation of a standard.

Losing the mysql brand would mean less than nothing, in the corporate world a brand has value in the open source world the name changes and everybody moves on.

See joomla vs mambo and a ton of other examples.

The only person that really seems to have a problem with this is Monty himself since he can't let go of his baby even after selling it down the river. Which plenty of people spoke up about when he sold it to SUN in the first place.

Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by gaius on Sunday January 03, 2010 @04:11PM (#1029146)
it is a promise that the technology has been worked on by serious people

All those people have quit Sun and work for Monty now...

Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by rbanffy on Sunday January 03, 2010 @03:42PM (#1029096)
"All Sun got for their $1Bn was the domain name mysql.com..."

Which kind of bothers me because I really like Sun hardware. Every blunder Sun makes pushed SPARC closer to extinction.

I hope Oracle keeps making the Type 7 keyboards with Control where God wanted it to be. That's not too much to ask...

Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by JulianMorrison on Sunday January 03, 2010 @08:09PM (#1029460)
He owns the ability to say "no" to anyone who wants a closed source license.
Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by rbanffy on Sunday January 03, 2010 @09:54PM (#1029632)
Yes, but those folks will quickly jump ship to other RDBMS. I suspect most will simply go with SQLite.

I don't know of anything that embeds a relational database that has the requirements of a MySQL.

Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by JulianMorrison on Monday January 04, 2010 @02:26AM (#1029959)
Do you think he'd hate them jumping ship to SQLite?

Supposing he actually is being Machiavellian, he wants MySQL not to be so strong a competitor for the middle and high end of commercial installations. He can afford to concede the very low end - Oracle doesn't play there, except perhaps with BDB (a minor sideline).

Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by blasdel on Sunday January 03, 2010 @11:10PM (#1029747)
Surely Adobe Acrobat Professional absolutely depends on the power provided to it by the mysqld process it launches!
Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by nailer on Sunday January 03, 2010 @02:41PM (#1028963)
Really? Java (which is most of the value of Sun) and MySQL are the only Sun products in mainstream use. Solaris is in the same state as HPUX was 10 years ago, VirtualBox and Sun's Xen Product don't have significant market share. Why would Oracle want to sell MySQL back?
Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by mseebach on Sunday January 03, 2010 @03:09PM (#1029022)
Because they bought Sun for the hardware-business and Java. They sort-a already have a database, and if selling MySQL to Monty can save them some trouble with a bored EU regulator that gets its kicks from telling US business how to operate, I'm sure they'll be happy to. It'll have to be at market value, though, and it seems a bit like Monty wants a solution where he stays very rich.
Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by nailer on Sunday January 03, 2010 @06:01PM (#1029299)
So they didn't buy Sun to get the largest OSS database in the world?

Sun's storage products are top notch but I doubt Oracle specifically wanted to move into the field. Selling replacement SPARCs to the banks that still have Solaris won't last long, Oracle know that.

Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by mseebach on Sunday January 03, 2010 @06:43PM (#1029342)
Sun has a very good range of hardware that goes far beyond SPARC, and Oracle is marketing it aggressively[1]

They specifically cited Java and hardware in the acquisition announcement, and I have a really hard time seeing the strategic value of the MySQL asset. Oracle has much more to gain from a "come to us when you're ready to sit at the grown-ups table" position.

1: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/09/29/oracle-scolded-by-ind...

Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by nailer on Monday January 04, 2010 @11:45AM (#1030588)
FYI your citation is a link to an ad for SPARC.
Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by gaius on Tuesday January 05, 2010 @01:29AM (#1031989)
Well, yes. The aim was to show that Oracle is actively marketing SPARC. What better way to do that than by citing an ad?
Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by nailer on Thursday January 07, 2010 @09:56AM (#1037128)
Ah, I thought you were using to site that 'Sun has a very good range of hardware that goes far beyond SPARC'. Yes, Oracle are marketing SPARC, because they're going to own it. It doesn't mean that it has a future and people will start running new projects on SPARC again.
Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by whatusername on Sunday January 03, 2010 @05:35PM (#1029270)
The Storagetek gear is at least #2 for market Share. (Good enough for Jack Welsh)

(Agree though - Oracle would want to keep mysql)

Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by ShabbyDoo on Sunday January 03, 2010 @02:24PM (#1028925)
How much does Oracle stand to lose if MySQL doesn't die a slow death? Probably much more than a billion.
Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by gaius on Sunday January 03, 2010 @02:58PM (#1029001)
I don't really understand how that's the case. In 15 years as a professional DBA working with both Oracle and MySQL I have never found myself in the position of thinking, hmm, Oracle or MySQL for this project? It just doesn't really happen (no matter how much Monty would like to believe it does). I recently decided between MySQL and SQLite on a smaller project (SQLite won that one). I can see myself deciding between Oracle and Postgres one day (never happened in practice).
Re:Why Save MySQL Now? by ShabbyDoo on Sunday January 03, 2010 @03:44PM (#1029102)
What if the Falcon engine comes to fruition?