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Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by martincmartin on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:34AM (#10226412)
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by sp332 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:52AM (#10226560)
Stupidity does not adequately explain why they are considering bringing charges of a "hoax bomb", or sent this letter home with the other students: http://www.irvingisd.net/cms/lib010/TX01917973/Centricity/Do... [PDF] Therefore, malice.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Avenger42 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:55AM (#10227053)
"I recommend using this opportunity to talk with your child about the Student Code of Conduct and specifically not bringing items to school that are prohibited."

As a parent, can I see the list of "items... that are prohibited"? I'd be pretty shocked if "clock" is actually on there.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by austenallred on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:35AM (#10227367)
That's the crazy part to me. They still seem to think and act as if it was a bomb.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by rm445 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:22PM (#10227735)
Remember the Boston Lite-Brite thing? (A more legit incident, since apparently quite a few people were spooked by the devices, but still a case where the authorities over-reacted and refused to back down).

Sticking to the line that something was a 'bomb hoax' keeps the responsibility with the accused: they shouldn't have perpetrated a bomb hoax; not we shouldn't have over-reacted to an innocuous object.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by chrisdbaldwin on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:44AM (#10227455)
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Frenchgeek on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @02:21PM (#10228657)
Well, the alternative is being wrong.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by jameshart on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @02:39PM (#10228797)
To be fair, it wouldn't surprise me if 'replica firearm' was on there.

Then again, this is Texas.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by feedjoelpie on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:15PM (#10227668)
Stupidity adequately explains the initial reaction. Bringing charges is merely after-the-fact butt-covering. The whole world knows you're stupid, but if you can get the entire legal system to be just as stupid, it's no longer your fault!

Remember the Aqua Teen Hunger Force "bomb" scare in Boston? The city rigorously pursued legal action to spare their police department the embarrassment of having wasted millions of dollars carefully dismantling DIY Lite-Brites.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by s_q_b on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:16AM (#10226738)
Once authority figures make a decision, they fear backing down from it, because they (unfortunately often correctly) believe that doubling down will force the far less well-funded citizen to fold, usually in exchange for a less severe "punishment."
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by ojgeojgaew on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:34AM (#10226877)
This isn't limited to authority figures. Most people, when faced with evidence that they were publicly wrong, try to save face by doubling down on their original convictions.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by masteryupa_ on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:17AM (#10227226)
I'd like to jump on the back of this and make the point that, referring to the clock project in question, it seems a lie to label the item as a "hoax bomb" as if it were actually intended to even be a bomb, let alone an article of the hoax variety. Not to mention the obvious claim of guilt by association that the prosecuting argument seems to imply, I would add that it also useful to distinguish the reality of the situation so as to ensure that "hoax bomb" doesn't catch on. "Clock thought to be a bomb" would be a more accurate representation of the situation.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by mostlystatic on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:28AM (#10227312)
Not sure if there's a formal definition, but this page distinguishes between a scare and a hoax:

"Though city prosecutors eventually concluded there was no ill intent involved in the placing of the ads, the city continues to refer to the event as a "bomb hoax" rather than a "scare." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by cookingrobot on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:43AM (#10227443)
They never thought it was real, or they would have evacuated the school.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by ChrisArgyle on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:12AM (#10227186)
Ignorance easily explains this unfortunate, embarrassing incident.

The boy's father is from Sudan and is well known for being outspoken against anti-Islamic policies. To an unworldly south/midwesterner that spells "potential terrorist". It's not too much of a stretch to see that diagnosis extended to the son.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by sp332 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:33AM (#10227349)
His father ran for President of Sudan, and came in fourth.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Shivetya on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @05:19PM (#10229965)
Ignorance that was likely being exploited for political purposes. As in, his father probably encouraged his son to do this. The father knew that it would likely cause someone to freak out, student or teacher; that it beeped helped and even better that it was in a metal case. There was no reason to bring the item in, let alone a the week of 9/11.

The school admins reacted as stereo typically badly as they could have hoped. It should have been assessed quickly and immediately removed from the school. Instead it just got stupid quick.

So this father will now get images of himself with his son with our President. We get some immediate attention to the horrible plight of Muslims in America (there isn't any horrible plight other than some people don't trust them)....

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by lucozade on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:14AM (#10226726)
> Stupidity does not adequately explain why they are considering bringing charges

No but embarrassment may explain quite a lot of it.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by cmurf on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:22AM (#10226790)
stupidity + malice

Calling it a hoax bomb is ass covering by shifting the blame to the person who happens to be the only adult in that bumfuck town's government.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by jodah on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:13AM (#10227192)
True, though stupidity is not seeing how much this is going to cost them, ultimately.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by hellbanner on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:57AM (#10227069)
If the kids have any intelligence at all they're only going to grow up hating the bureaucracy.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by dynomight on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:18AM (#10227229)
Sadly this is an important part of education.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by mattkevan on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:53AM (#10226565)
There's a variant of Clarke's third law which applies here: "Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice."
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by masteryupa_ on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:23AM (#10227268)
@mattkevan could you provide a citation for this? A quick search nets Arthur C. Clarke's three laws, with the third reading:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - 1973, Hazards of Prophecy: The Failure of Imagination

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by MiguelHudnandez on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:42PM (#10227904)
No citation is necessary, they're just quoting a clever anonymous adaptation. It's not anything Arthur C. Clarke ever said.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by stuaxo on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:09AM (#10226676)
Hanlons 3rd law ?
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by iwwr on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:43AM (#10226486)
Stupidity is not an excuse for being an asshole.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by nathos on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:44AM (#10226501)
In this case, we're dealing with malicious stupidity. Edge of the razor?
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by tomjen3 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:12PM (#10227648)
Power corrupts. As such we should always assume malice when dealing with people in power.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by boomlinde on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:07AM (#10227138)
Hanlon's razor is bullshit when it comes to bureaucratic institutions shifting blame to cover their own asses
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by jessaustin on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:47AM (#10226518)
That's for dealing with authentic human beings, not with mindless order-followers.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by mbrutsch on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:47AM (#10226519)
"Two things can be true" - me
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by caf on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:16AM (#10226740)
It seems more like some kind of quiet collective insanity to me.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Lawtonfogle on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @01:11PM (#10228161)
A wise tool to be employed by the malicious.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by vezzy-fnord on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:45AM (#10226508)
Hanlon's razor doesn't apply to politics.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by ryanlol on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:00AM (#10226611)
Hanlon's razor is a pretty stupid quote here, there definitely is no need to distinguish stupidity from malice here. The people responsible for this mess should probably lose their jobs. (Based on the story as it was presented here)
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by triangleman on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:59AM (#10227090)
Yes but should the be fired on account of malice or stupidity? (Both valid causes for firing)
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by tomjen3 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:13PM (#10227653)
Which ever is fastest.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by ryanlol on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:46AM (#10227466)
How about just "misconduct"
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Karunamon on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:37AM (#10227383)
Malicious stupidity.