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Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by userbinator on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:29AM (#10226368)
Apparently the authorities have determined that the best way to stop terrorism is to discourage any manifestation of personal intelligence, so that the population turns into mindless sheep. "If you don't know how to make a clock, you won't know how to make a time bomb" is their reasoning.

It is seriously disturbing.

I am reminded of stories of kids opening a command prompt and being accussed of "hacking", only this is a far more extreme case.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by martincmartin on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:34AM (#10226412)
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by sp332 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:52AM (#10226560)
Stupidity does not adequately explain why they are considering bringing charges of a "hoax bomb", or sent this letter home with the other students: http://www.irvingisd.net/cms/lib010/TX01917973/Centricity/Do... [PDF] Therefore, malice.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Avenger42 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:55AM (#10227053)
"I recommend using this opportunity to talk with your child about the Student Code of Conduct and specifically not bringing items to school that are prohibited."

As a parent, can I see the list of "items... that are prohibited"? I'd be pretty shocked if "clock" is actually on there.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by austenallred on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:35AM (#10227367)
That's the crazy part to me. They still seem to think and act as if it was a bomb.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by rm445 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:22PM (#10227735)
Remember the Boston Lite-Brite thing? (A more legit incident, since apparently quite a few people were spooked by the devices, but still a case where the authorities over-reacted and refused to back down).

Sticking to the line that something was a 'bomb hoax' keeps the responsibility with the accused: they shouldn't have perpetrated a bomb hoax; not we shouldn't have over-reacted to an innocuous object.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by chrisdbaldwin on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:44AM (#10227455)
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Frenchgeek on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @02:21PM (#10228657)
Well, the alternative is being wrong.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by jameshart on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @02:39PM (#10228797)
To be fair, it wouldn't surprise me if 'replica firearm' was on there.

Then again, this is Texas.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by feedjoelpie on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:15PM (#10227668)
Stupidity adequately explains the initial reaction. Bringing charges is merely after-the-fact butt-covering. The whole world knows you're stupid, but if you can get the entire legal system to be just as stupid, it's no longer your fault!

Remember the Aqua Teen Hunger Force "bomb" scare in Boston? The city rigorously pursued legal action to spare their police department the embarrassment of having wasted millions of dollars carefully dismantling DIY Lite-Brites.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by s_q_b on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:16AM (#10226738)
Once authority figures make a decision, they fear backing down from it, because they (unfortunately often correctly) believe that doubling down will force the far less well-funded citizen to fold, usually in exchange for a less severe "punishment."
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by ojgeojgaew on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:34AM (#10226877)
This isn't limited to authority figures. Most people, when faced with evidence that they were publicly wrong, try to save face by doubling down on their original convictions.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by masteryupa_ on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:17AM (#10227226)
I'd like to jump on the back of this and make the point that, referring to the clock project in question, it seems a lie to label the item as a "hoax bomb" as if it were actually intended to even be a bomb, let alone an article of the hoax variety. Not to mention the obvious claim of guilt by association that the prosecuting argument seems to imply, I would add that it also useful to distinguish the reality of the situation so as to ensure that "hoax bomb" doesn't catch on. "Clock thought to be a bomb" would be a more accurate representation of the situation.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by mostlystatic on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:28AM (#10227312)
Not sure if there's a formal definition, but this page distinguishes between a scare and a hoax:

"Though city prosecutors eventually concluded there was no ill intent involved in the placing of the ads, the city continues to refer to the event as a "bomb hoax" rather than a "scare." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by cookingrobot on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:43AM (#10227443)
They never thought it was real, or they would have evacuated the school.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by ChrisArgyle on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:12AM (#10227186)
Ignorance easily explains this unfortunate, embarrassing incident.

The boy's father is from Sudan and is well known for being outspoken against anti-Islamic policies. To an unworldly south/midwesterner that spells "potential terrorist". It's not too much of a stretch to see that diagnosis extended to the son.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by sp332 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:33AM (#10227349)
His father ran for President of Sudan, and came in fourth.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Shivetya on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @05:19PM (#10229965)
Ignorance that was likely being exploited for political purposes. As in, his father probably encouraged his son to do this. The father knew that it would likely cause someone to freak out, student or teacher; that it beeped helped and even better that it was in a metal case. There was no reason to bring the item in, let alone a the week of 9/11.

The school admins reacted as stereo typically badly as they could have hoped. It should have been assessed quickly and immediately removed from the school. Instead it just got stupid quick.

So this father will now get images of himself with his son with our President. We get some immediate attention to the horrible plight of Muslims in America (there isn't any horrible plight other than some people don't trust them)....

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by lucozade on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:14AM (#10226726)
> Stupidity does not adequately explain why they are considering bringing charges

No but embarrassment may explain quite a lot of it.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by cmurf on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:22AM (#10226790)
stupidity + malice

Calling it a hoax bomb is ass covering by shifting the blame to the person who happens to be the only adult in that bumfuck town's government.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by jodah on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:13AM (#10227192)
True, though stupidity is not seeing how much this is going to cost them, ultimately.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by hellbanner on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:57AM (#10227069)
If the kids have any intelligence at all they're only going to grow up hating the bureaucracy.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by dynomight on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:18AM (#10227229)
Sadly this is an important part of education.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by mattkevan on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:53AM (#10226565)
There's a variant of Clarke's third law which applies here: "Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice."
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by masteryupa_ on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:23AM (#10227268)
@mattkevan could you provide a citation for this? A quick search nets Arthur C. Clarke's three laws, with the third reading:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - 1973, Hazards of Prophecy: The Failure of Imagination

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by MiguelHudnandez on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:42PM (#10227904)
No citation is necessary, they're just quoting a clever anonymous adaptation. It's not anything Arthur C. Clarke ever said.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by stuaxo on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:09AM (#10226676)
Hanlons 3rd law ?
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by iwwr on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:43AM (#10226486)
Stupidity is not an excuse for being an asshole.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by nathos on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:44AM (#10226501)
In this case, we're dealing with malicious stupidity. Edge of the razor?
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by tomjen3 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:12PM (#10227648)
Power corrupts. As such we should always assume malice when dealing with people in power.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by boomlinde on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:07AM (#10227138)
Hanlon's razor is bullshit when it comes to bureaucratic institutions shifting blame to cover their own asses
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by jessaustin on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:47AM (#10226518)
That's for dealing with authentic human beings, not with mindless order-followers.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by mbrutsch on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:47AM (#10226519)
"Two things can be true" - me
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by caf on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:16AM (#10226740)
It seems more like some kind of quiet collective insanity to me.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Lawtonfogle on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @01:11PM (#10228161)
A wise tool to be employed by the malicious.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by vezzy-fnord on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:45AM (#10226508)
Hanlon's razor doesn't apply to politics.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by ryanlol on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:00AM (#10226611)
Hanlon's razor is a pretty stupid quote here, there definitely is no need to distinguish stupidity from malice here. The people responsible for this mess should probably lose their jobs. (Based on the story as it was presented here)
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by triangleman on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:59AM (#10227090)
Yes but should the be fired on account of malice or stupidity? (Both valid causes for firing)
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by tomjen3 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:13PM (#10227653)
Which ever is fastest.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by ryanlol on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:46AM (#10227466)
How about just "misconduct"
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Karunamon on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:37AM (#10227383)
Malicious stupidity.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by kailuowang on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:10AM (#10226689)
I think you overestimate the intelligence of the authority in this particular case. I think this is more a case of collective stupidity than authority turning people to mindless sheep.

What worried me is where is the engineering teacher he first showed the clock to? He or she could've clarified everything in 5 seconds.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by rbshadel on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:12AM (#10226707)
that's exactly what I came here to post. I find it even more troubling that the teacher was clearly aware of this possible outcome - going so far as to tell the kid to hide it from other teachers. but for all we know maybe he did speak up and was shushed by administration? who knows...pretty frustrating either way.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by portlander12345 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @01:56PM (#10228499)
My bet is that the engineering teacher is the sole adult geek in this environment and is used to those around him acting this way. I feel for him. There's a personality that's overwhelmingly common in schools, that seeks conformity and uses their own ability to be frightened as a weapon against the weirdos. Perhaps someone can describe it better than me.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by tremon on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:32AM (#10226864)
I'd say this is a case of collective stupidity punishing original thought. So I would phrase this exactly as "collective stupidity in authority turning people to mindless sheep".

And why would you have to be an engineering teacher to presume innocence here? This is a school; anyone involved should have been able to clarify everything in 5 seconds, even without the child explaining himself.

Welcome to 'murrica, kid. You better learn to censor yourself.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by minusSeven on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:50AM (#10227487)
"never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence" isn't the case here I think. I think this is more about racial profiling more than anything.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by xlm1717 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:40AM (#10226468)
The kid was too smart for his own good. He broke away from the other mindless sheep and learned things on his own.

Who knows what kind of subversive ideas he might come up with if he's allowed to continue to think for himself.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by jordigh on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:29AM (#10226845)
> I am reminded of stories of kids opening a command prompt and being accussed of "hacking", only this is a far more extreme case.

Happened to me when I was a kid. Opened a DOS prompt. Was labelled a dangerous mind.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by peatmoss on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:28AM (#10227313)
Oh my, I don't even want to think of the horrors I unleashed upon the various Apple ][, DOS, and Mac Classic systems in my public school. Nothing like malware--just really lucky I never bricked anything. On the other hand, I did learn some valuable lessons such as that LinuxPPC in the mid/late 90s was not appreciated as Mac OS 8 by my peers.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by OliverJones on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:02AM (#10227108)
C'mon, this is prejudice. If the kid's name were Jack or Sean or even Claudio, nothing would have happened except his teacher would have said "cool!"
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by xaver on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:42PM (#10227905)
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by jessaustin on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @01:38PM (#10228363)
That's also bad, but not really related to the issue under discussion.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by xaver on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @08:17PM (#10230846)
its related to the discussion inasmuch as the parent comment is related to the discussion.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by mtgx on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:02AM (#10226628)
This is why it's often said that not just censorship but also mass surveillance are the killers of creativity and progress in a society. When you always have to look over your shoulder because the "state" might believe you're doing something wrong and punish you, that tends to make you not even want to try something anymore.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by benevol on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:29AM (#10226843)
I find it striking that you almost never hear about such behavior occurring in Europe (correct me if I'm wrong). Any ideas why things seem to be very different there?
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by raarts on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:56AM (#10227059)
After living in the US as a European for 1.5 years, I've come to the conclusion that americans tend to be more afraid in general. For example I've never heard in Europe of recommendations like 'when selling stuff through craigslist always meet at a starbucks but never at home' either. Also being smart and/or nerdy actually is valued in Europe.

It may also be a Southern thing though.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by jevinskie on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:56AM (#10227528)
At least for your craigslist example, the fear is not unfounded. [0] That one example happened just last month in my town. The weapon in that case need not be a gun, a knife or baseball bat wielding friend hiding in the bushes would work well too. Perhaps better than Starbucks would be the police department parking lot. That is actually a preferred place for private gun sales - if the buyer is uneasy about conducting the sale at a police station, they are probably a person prohibited from owning a firearm. Our town has added a designated "craigslist zone" at a local fire department precisely to help deter robberies. [1]

So, in the craigslist example, many American people are afraid because there is overwhelming evidence that craigslist robberies A) really do happen with some significant frequency and B) meeting at a public place is a simple, low-effort way of mitigating that risk. I can understand people living in lower crime areas not worrying about craigslist robberies (though I would take the precautions anywhere because it is so simple).

However, in general, I would agree with you that Americans eat up FUD. You can see it in our DHS/TSA, the Patriot Act, collective disinterest in the Snowden leaks, and general anti-Muslim sentiments.

[0]: http://wlfi.com/2015/08/18/man-robbed-at-gunpoint-while-meet...

[1]: http://wlfi.com/2015/08/18/lafayette-adds-monitored-exchange...

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by raarts on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @02:57PM (#10228905)
The fear is not unfounded of course, but I think there are two mechanisms at work here: 1. in the US the media blows these things up much more than in Europe. In fact there is a lot more attention for crime in general, while traffic accidents get much less attention. 2. Similar robberies do take place in Europe, but I think Europeans tend to shrug them off more, assuming there's only a very small chance it will happen to them.

Also, for some reason, whenever something bad happens, the US seems to respond with bigger countermeasures, more stringent laws and heftier punishments. Europeans are amazed when they read that children are sometimes threatened with tens of years of jailtime for relatively small incidents.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Tepix on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @01:23PM (#10228248)
The funny thing is that people buy guns because they are afraid, yet that makes the whole situation more dangerous.

The reason why you don't have to be afraid when dealing with Craigslist in europe is that guns are rare, as is gun violence.

But I'm sure some will just buy another gun to feel safer. Isn't that the standard argument after a serial shooting? The first victim should have had a gun, then this wouldn't have happened... that's as perverse as it gets!

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by pixl97 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @01:17PM (#10228203)
>So, in the craigslist example, many American people are afraid because there is overwhelming evidence that

Is there evidence, or media reporting well beyond the actual rate of occurrence?

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by nailer on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:59AM (#10227087)
There was an athlete doing hill runs with a weight vest in the UK: the neighbours called the anti-terrorism squad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-15190563

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by rm445 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:36PM (#10227850)
I suspect there are similar incidents with much less overblown outcomes.

There's no relative scarcity of ignorant and authoritarian schoolteachers, but consequences are likely to be confined to school, not involve law enforcement, and parents and pupils are more likely to knuckle down rather than fight or go to the press.

So, taking "such behaviour" much more broadly than this specific incident (and of course granting that Europe is a big and diverse place) - if a kid is found hacking school networks, or distributing a satirical magazine, or bringing possibly inappropriate or dangerous items to school, the schools are just as likely to crack down (even if it infringes the pupil's legal rights) but the matter is likely to end there without ruining the pupil's education. Or making the school administration change its behaviour.

Personally I think the situation as I have described it is favourable. Ideally schools wouldn't be administered by petty tyrants, but as long as everyone finishes their education with a blank slate it's fine. Keeping the police away from schools as much as possible would be a good start.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by raarts on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @02:39PM (#10228793)
The sun of a (Dutch) friend actually 'hacked' his school network (he gleaned the password from his teacher). Grades were altered, he involved others, and they were caught. The police was not involved, and he was expelled. He is now attending another school. He was punished, but it did not ruin his future.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by matt4077 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:40PM (#10227879)
The trend towards a "security theatre" and all that does indeed seem to be much stronger. Even where security measures in Europe were increased (i. e. ban on liquids), it was more on the behest of the Americans than intrinsically motivated.

I see a few possible causes:

– 9/11 was a much bigger attack than anything that happened on European soil

– there is a more influential lobby for militarisation/criminalisation in the US

– Americans are more fearful

– America is more democratic. As such, the unfounded fears of parts of the population (on both sides of the Atlantic) are less likely to be buffered by the more rational thinking of experts

and, my favourite:

– Americans love excitement and violence & it is amplified by the media. Nothing better than a bomb scare on FOX.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by tremon on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:34AM (#10226878)
Because adults in education over here are still capable of independent thought, probably.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by vog on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:35AM (#10226416)
> If you don't know how to make a clock, you won't know how to make a time bomb" is their reasoning

Do you have any sources to back up that claim?

It this really their line of thinking? Or did you just deduce this from their actions, i.e. that they seem to think that way?

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by radiorental on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:51AM (#10226547)
Yes, it is unfortunately. The kid couldn't explain why he just made a clock to show his teachers. So their assumption is that anyone making an electronic device must be up to no good.

"Irving police might still charge Ahmed with making a "hoax bomb." Police spokesperson James McLellan said Ahmed "kept maintaining it was a clock" when he was brought in for interrogation, but that he offered "no broader explanation.""

Somewhat related, for a little sense of perspective. I studied E/E in Northern Ireland in the early 90's. I was regularly stopped by armed British Soldiers and searched. Invariably I have some half finished project in my bag. Could easily be passed off as bomb material. All it took was a simple explanation and I was on my way in 5 minutes.

This was a place where actual bombs were being set off on a weekly basis. But, the 'keep calm and carry on' mentality is what persevered. The US seems like it's becoming more of a Police State than N.I. ever was.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by goatforce5 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:15AM (#10227205)
About 10 years ago I was heading to a client meeting and was about to enter the 'Ring of Steel'[0] area in the City of London.

I checked twice before crossing the road and a nearby cop car spun around and stopped me saying I had done a double-take when I saw them and they needed to search me.

Turns out the client I was off to see was a porn magazine and I have a bunch of their product in my bag. The nice police officer didn't even blink when she saw that. Perhaps everyone i the City is carrying around lots of porn with them in the middle of the day?

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_steel_(London)

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by userbinator on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:40AM (#10226463)
Sorry if I was unclear; I mean that's what they seem to be doing. That's why I prefaced my comment with "apparently".
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by x5n1 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:38AM (#10226446)
In law there is a thing called mens rea. They should look that up.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Someone1234 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:15AM (#10226732)
Which does actually apply in this case: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/10/46/46.08

They need to show intent. They cannot just show that others were in fear.

So it seems like they don't have a legitimate case, although "the ride" is often used to get guilty pleas out of otherwise innocent people (i.e. they would lock the kid up pending trial, delay trial, the parents may not be able to afford lawyer fees, so he might plead down to a lesser charge to get out even if the original charge is complete nonsense).

That is pretty standard fare for the US legal system these days. 95% plea rates, 7 minutes of public defender time on average per client, and so on and so forth.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by elorant on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @09:39AM (#10226457)
It's supposed to be sarcastic.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by TheCapn on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:05AM (#10226648)
These topics bring the tin foil wearers out in droves. No, the government isn't cracking down on the intelligence of youth, it requires it to progress and grow. I don't recall any black SUVs outside my door when I built an alarm clock that had selective electronic outputs for my school project. Hell, my teachers docked marks because I didn't take it far enough and they felt I could add more features and better design.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by scrumper on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:19AM (#10227250)
You're contradicting yourself there. When you were young, it was fine. This chap does basically the exact same thing, and he's arrested.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by eropple on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:46AM (#10227464)
If my 17-year-old brother did the same thing, he wouldn't be arrested.

But my 17-year-old brother doesn't live under a racist cloud of "probably a terrorist."

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by leoc on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:14AM (#10226724)
Probably not the whole story in this case. It seems improbable that little Johnny McFreckles III would have encountered as much trouble over his clock project.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by jerf on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:26AM (#10226818)
I realize it may seem like fun to try to bring "discrimination" into this, but plenty of white kids have gotten in plenty of trouble for stupid reasons too. Yes, including handcuffs and arrests, and at times, even court convinctions and orders for things like staying off computers entirely for some period of time. I see no reason to believe it would have gone any differently for any ethnicity, gender, age, sexual orientation, or anything else. This stupid is well-distributed.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by owen_griffiths on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:10AM (#10227172)
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by goldenkey on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:10PM (#10227640)
These administrators are so politically correct and political with how they get their jobs (usually favorites get promoted, etc.) My father was a teacher for 40 years and never stopped telling me stories about the people at the top. The school system is ran by circus animals.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by leoc on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:35PM (#10227845)
> but plenty of white kids have gotten in plenty of trouble for stupid reasons too.

Of course they have. However, the authorities everywhere don't consistently flip their wigs—certainly not as badly as this—every time a student does something like bringing in this project. So the fact that they wigged out badly in this particular case probably—not certainly, but really pretty likely—does have some relation to the fact that the student just happened to be Ahmed Mohamed.

(OTOH there pretty certainly is a selection bias in the fact that this particular case is getting so much publicity. It's the social-media catnip of the perceived (and again, let's be serious here, probably partly real) discrimination that has pushed this one up the charts while others go mostly unremarked.)

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by jerf on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @02:31PM (#10228740)
You can not assert a consistent behavior off of one example. You're finding something you seem to be looking for. I was not kidding about being arrested and getting ordered to not touch computers for some period of time. Wigs have been flipped.

I do not know that school administrators have "consistently" flipped out at white kids, either. I don't know what the baseline occurrence of these events are. My suspicion would be that every case we've ever heard of, including this one, is still an outlier, and thus not suitable for drawing sweeping conclusions from, and in fact kids probably do stupid stuff like this every day without making the national news.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by leoc on Sunday September 20, 2015 @12:18PM (#10248041)
Hm? I didn't assert any consistent pattern of behaviour, I only denied one.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by CWuestefeld on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:09AM (#10227163)
I see a couple of paths to combating the way authority oversteps its bounds, sometimes fatally as we see in much recent news.

One avenue is to focus on those victims that happen to be a racial minority, and force the authorities to treat members of that minority group with kid gloves. This literally forces all of us to keep race and other divisive demographics at the forefront of our consciousness whenever we deal with other people. That's not a good strategy to reach of goal of everyone being blind to race.

Another avenue is to focus on the powers that are being wielded unjustly. By taking away to power to cause such damage, or at least imposing accountability when it's misused, we can force those with power to rein in their abusive behavior to all. This latter seems the winning strategy to me.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by xenophonf on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:54PM (#10231489)
Funny you should use "McFreckles" as a stereotypical white name. Irish immigrants have historically faced a lot of discrimination in the U.S. on the grounds of both ethnicity (compared to English immigrants and their descendants) and religion (Catholics instead of the majority Protestants).
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by dale-cooper on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:37AM (#10226906)
> I am reminded of stories of kids opening a command prompt and being accussed of "hacking", only this is a far more extreme case.

I remember a teacher seeing me type "BitchX" into a terminal and freaking out, he apparently thought I was doing something obscene in my terminal window..

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by notNow on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @10:14AM (#10226720)
Apparently the authorities have determined that the best way to stop terrorism is to discourage any manifestation of personal intelligence

It's a Texas thing not a US, or that what I hope the case to be.